White Shaming

**Janszoon** · 05-18-2018, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

I'm sure Monkey means it doesn't exist here. And it kind of doesn't. Blacks, Asians, Muslims, you name it ... everyone gets treated more or less the same here in Ireland (like ****)

and although there were only ever two black people I know of working in my office over the thirty years (nearly) I was there, one of them was a director, so I doubt it has anything to do with keeping the jobs for whites.

It's obviously a lot different over there, which is why Monkey takes that attitude, and so frankly would I. I guess he should have said "it doesn't exist here."

Looks like not everyone in Ireland agrees with you: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/w...35557?mode=amp

OccultHawk · 05-18-2018, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Can you prove your claim? Where are you getting your facts that black people steal from Asian stores?

And no. Holding a whole race accountable is not okay. That's racism.

I’m racist.

DwnWthVwls · 05-18-2018, 05:47 PM

The problem with the white privilege claim is actually showing systematic white privilege. Also, the definition WIDELY varies. Bunch of anecdotes and questionable stats used on both sides. There is a difference between anecdotal racism holding down some minorities and systematic white privilege. Too much damn nuance to wrap my head around.. Idk.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Examples would be how often black people get followed around in stores by managers thinking they are going to steal while white people aren't used to it.

Or how there are more white legacy students in college than there are any particular minority.

These kinds of examples are just awful.. Take a scenario where only white people exist and there will be the same bias based around adjectives as well. People make snap judgements all the time based on how you carry yourself, what youre wearing, etc.. I live in the sticks of NJ and worked at a grocery store for almost 4 years, while I went to college. You think my managers weren't following around the whitetrash, drug addict looking rednecks and leaving most of the "normal"/old customers be? When the occasional minority customer came in do you think they suddenly stopped paying attention to the white trash and focused on them instead? Not in my experience, maybe it's just the place I live, idk.

and the legacy thing - unless youre talking percentages that doesn't demonstrate anything. Please explain as I'm pretty ignorant about this topic.

Also, not accepting white privilege exists doesn't require evidence based on the same logic that not accepting God's existence doesnt require evidence. You don't get to just throw out reason because emotion.

To all: If everyone in the entire world was one race, do you think there wouldn't be certain groups of people that got ahead? It seems to be a fundamental characteristic of society.. what would you blame it on if there were only white people and how do you know some of those factors aren't also part of the problem currently? As always, I take the position.. yeah there's that, but there is also this.

**Frownland** · 05-18-2018, 06:00 PM

The problem with rejecting the existence of white privilege is the idea that it has to be systematically enforced when it's really a cultural norm. Also, the definition WIDELY varies.

DwnWthVwls · 05-18-2018, 06:09 PM

So snarky..

**Frownland** · 05-18-2018, 06:14 PM

I'm right though. You're demanding a systemic example of privilege when it's an issue based on implicit biases. I mean if you really want the justification, it's the echoes of slavery and Jim Crow.

DwnWthVwls · 05-18-2018, 06:16 PM

That's definitely not how I've heard it presented.. "Systematic" is always paired with "white privilege" in the debates I've heard. Your point is another topic completely. Lucem used the term in the post that kicked off this discussion.

Also, I'm not demanding anything.. Go get pissed and come back so we can troll Chula.

**Frownland** · 05-18-2018, 06:18 PM

Much like free speech, ithe concept been hijacked by obnoxious ideologues.

What's your interpretation of white privilege? I mean as a term, not whether or not you agree with its validity.

DwnWthVwls · 05-18-2018, 06:23 PM

Without giving it much thought, something along the lines of: an inherent societal advantage centered around racial identity.

**Frownland** · 05-18-2018, 06:26 PM

So where does the requirement for privilege to be systematic fit into that?

05-18-2018, 06:00 PM	#304 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	The problem with rejecting the existence of white privilege is the idea that it has to be systematically enforced when it's really a cultural norm. Also, the definition WIDELY varies. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-18-2018, 06:14 PM	#306 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	I'm right though. You're demanding a systemic example of privilege when it's an issue based on implicit biases. I mean if you really want the justification, it's the echoes of slavery and Jim Crow. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-18-2018, 06:18 PM	#308 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Much like free speech, ithe concept been hijacked by obnoxious ideologues. What's your interpretation of white privilege? I mean as a term, not whether or not you agree with its validity. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

05-18-2018, 06:26 PM	#310 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	So where does the requirement for privilege to be systematic fit into that? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x