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Old 05-21-2018, 03:31 PM   #511 (permalink)
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I could also be cheeky and suggest that "benevolent racism" can't be a thing according to this strange definition of the word, since it's kinda hard to imagine most uses of the phrase "benevolent racism" passing as in any way referring to cases of institutionalized racism (and therefore apparently not racism).

So if I assume a black guy has a great sense of rhythm and can run fast because he's black, then I'm not a racist.

When I hold a door for a woman because she's a woman, it's not benevolent sexism either - at least not if we should start giving the word "sexist" the same treatment.


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Old 05-21-2018, 03:34 PM   #512 (permalink)
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Racism does go in all directions. I'd like to hear your reasoning otherwise.

How does a black person hating a white person because they are white not count as racism?

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You didn't need to edit, I don't care if you're jerky or not.

I feel like I'm talking in circles here so this is the last time I'll say it: racism refers to a system of oppression based on the presumption that the oppressors' race is superior to those being oppressed. There has never been a system of oppression in this country in which white people have been oppressed by any minority group systemically, so it is not correct to say that a black person hating a white person is racist. It is prejudiced, bigoted, etc., but racism is about power and policy.
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Old 05-21-2018, 03:37 PM   #513 (permalink)
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You didn't need to edit, I don't care if you're jerky or not.

I feel like I'm talking in circles here so this is the last time I'll say it: racism refers to a system of oppression based on the presumption that the oppressors' race is superior to those being oppressed. There has never been a system of oppression in this country in which white people have been oppressed by any minority group systemically, so it is not correct to say that a black person hating a white person is racist. It is prejudiced, bigoted, etc., but racism is about power and policy.
This is the point where the chain jumps off. People object to this definition because it takes a well known and widely used word hostage, radically redefines it and muddles most discussion where it is used (outside of very particular circles where this version is apparently the norm). Why not just go with a new word or phrase? I mean, "institutionalized racism" actually does the job really well. It's when you clip it down to just "racism" that things get funky.
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Under your definition sure I agree with you that it can't go both ways, but that's simply not how the word is used or understood colloquially. Idc if you don't agree with the definition, when in conversation or in writing racism is commonly understood as "prejudice based on skin color". The same as every other ISM that isn't a considered a system, until people wanna start using it to bate bullshit conversations. It's only a "system" because that makes it convenient to sling shit and not be held accountable.

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Old 05-21-2018, 03:40 PM   #515 (permalink)
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I mean ketchup is defined as being spicy.
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Old 05-21-2018, 03:46 PM   #516 (permalink)
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I mean if you wanna start another topic about the dictionary not being an authority on words and how its a reference for colloquial usage we can. Definitions don't matter much as long as we agree on the usage of a words while in discussion. If you and I both agree that "jibberwollywootzenshnazen" means love when speaking to one another that's all that matters. The problem occurs when you decide to interject your own meaning that no one else agrees with and start arguing on it's behalf. Until now it wasn't made clear that you were arguing based on a different understanding of the word.. and if it was I apologize for missing it, and it's my fault.
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It's not my own definition, I'm not making this up lol. This is how I've understood it for 10+ years and seems to be the consensus within my cohort and in academia so idk.
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Seems awfully dishonest and snowflakey to me.. for reasons already stated.
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Lesson one: There are two types of racism: interpersonal and institutional.
Lesson two: Only the second one is actually racism.
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You didn't need to edit, I don't care if you're jerky or not.

I feel like I'm talking in circles here so this is the last time I'll say it: racism refers to a system of oppression based on the presumption that the oppressors' race is superior to those being oppressed. There has never been a system of oppression in this country in which white people have been oppressed by any minority group systemically, so it is not correct to say that a black person hating a white person is racist. It is prejudiced, bigoted, etc., but racism is about power and policy.
Racism isn't a system of oppression, it is prejudice based in beliefs of racial superiority. There are certainly systems of oppression based in racism but racism itself isn't the system.
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