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I think the mistake many people make is considering depression as just a more extreme degree of normal unhappiness, instead of a mental illness that stands apart from that. It's not like 'with moderate problems comes moderate unhappiness and with big problems comes depression, so if someone can have big problems without depression then so can you'. I have the luck not to be very familiar with depression though, so this is a bit of guesswork.

Also, reading about those fantasy worlds brings back my childhood. I used to do exactly the same thing, crafted elaborate worlds for my alter ego, mainly every night when I coudn't sleep. At some point those fantasies started taking place in the 'normal' world and eventually they mostly disappeared, it makes me a bit nostalgic :)

Are you sure about that? If someone has a child, is it not worth getting out of bed to take care of that child? Just an example. Is not providing for that child "worth doing"?

Do you think that people get so depressed that they can't get up on purpose?

Having a child is the least worthwhile endeavor possible.

Dealing with it once it exists is mandatory. It doesn’t make you a good person. People with kids are so proud of themselves. Taking care of your kid is comparable to flushing the toilet after a big ****. It’s just auto-pilot business. It’s only an issue if you don’t do it but what you shouldn’t have done was make a baby in the first place. I never made a baby. That’s something to be proud of.

It makes more sense than breeding.

I'm not debating the pros and cons of having decided to have a baby. For the sake of argument, let's just say the baby is here. So now it must be dealt with, right? Is the taking care of the child something "worthwhile"? Is it worth getting out of bed for?

Under certain circumstances it can be, but being lazy in itself is not a moral failure, even though throughout the history of the world many religions and ethical systems have talked people into believing that.

Whether or not babies are worth doing depends on how you feel about lengthy jail sentences.

I don't know. I'm just trying to understand this since my dear friend is going through depression right now. Not even sure if "going through" is the right terminology.

My instincts are just screaming at me: "yeah, we've all got problems, but that doesn't keep everyone in bed. It's like that scene in Talladega Nights..."



Of course I would never say this to my friend, but I can't how I feel. I guess that's the difference. I choose not to say what I feel. I exercise my willpower of my natural desires. Why can't people with depression exercise their willpower over their desire to stay in bed?