MB's Own November Midterm Election

Lisnaholic · 11-05-2018, 06:01 PM

Well, I'd say that the voter only has limited responsibility for what his candidate does when in office. As we all know, campaign promises are made and broken, secret agendas come to light. The voters responsibility is to make the best decision he can, according to his ideology, at the moment of voting.

If your preferred candidate has some good, some bad policies, I think you should make a value judgement as best you can; vote for him if his good outweighs his bad, or not if it's the other way round.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 11-05-2018, 06:16 PM

We need to reform our voting system. We need INSTANT RUN-OFF / RANKED voting.

OccultHawk · 11-05-2018, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Well, I'd say that the voter only has limited responsibility for what his candidate does when in office. As we all know, campaign promises are made and broken, secret agendas come to light. The voters responsibility is to make the best decision he can, according to his ideology, at the moment of voting.

If your preferred candidate has some good, some bad policies, I think you should make a value judgement as best you can; vote for him if his good outweighs his bad, or not if it's the other way round.

I don’t want to circle around but to me voting would be a degrading form of submission.

On another note, I got charged like around $600 (I forget now) for NOT having healthcare for three months. Called “shared responsibility”. No argument ever - even if I lived 1000 years will ever convince me charging me for something I didn’t receive retroactively is fair. I lost my job. Went without healthcare because I was THAT broke and then when I ****ing needed my tax returns I didn’t get it and that’s “affordable” care under the Democrats? Don’t even bother trying to justify that ****. The republicans never did me that dirty. That was the craziest justification of theft I ever saw. There’s no way I could ever ever vote for the ****wads that supported kicking me when I was down like that. That **** was nasty.

windsock · 11-05-2018, 07:57 PM

How about we take two dudes, have them lay down, and start laying stones on them. Give 'em a good 'ol Giles Corey. Then we take the one who doesn't get crushed to death and we throw him in office. Clearly he has superior capability.

~~Dude111~~ · 11-05-2018, 08:09 PM

I dont vote but I hear they want RED to win.......

The Batlord · 11-05-2018, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Well, I'd say that the voter only has limited responsibility for what his candidate does when in office. As we all know, campaign promises are made and broken, secret agendas come to light. The voters responsibility is to make the best decision he can, according to his ideology, at the moment of voting.

If your preferred candidate has some good, some bad policies, I think you should make a value judgement as best you can; vote for him if his good outweighs his bad, or not if it's the other way round.

Let's say Trump puts that caravan of immigrants in a camp, keeps reporters out, and the next information we get about it is from escapees telling horror stories about a lack of clean water, sub-standard food with insects, people crammed in three to a bed in "housing", and large, suspicious mounds of earth that seem to grow as people are "released".

Is someone who found Trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric distasteful but still voted for him because they don't like NAFTA ultimately responsible for a crime against humanity?

windsock · 11-05-2018, 11:31 PM

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Let's say Trump puts that caravan of immigrants in a camp, keeps reporters out, and the next information we get about it is from escapees telling horror stories about a lack of clean water, sub-standard food with insects, people crammed in three to a bed in "housing", and large, suspicious mounds of earth that seem to grow as people are "released".

Is this really where you think things are going? There's no way this is purely from a hypothetical view.

The Batlord · 11-06-2018, 12:05 AM

It's hopefully outlandish but I don't imagine people thought Germany was gonna do what they did before Hitler came to power. We've already done something pretty reprehensible with imprisoning immigrant children. It was an extreme example about current events.

OccultHawk · 11-06-2018, 02:24 AM

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We do not subscribe to the view that Herr Hitler and his friends, now finally in possession of the power they have desired for so long, will enact the proposals circulating in the Angriff or the Völkischer Beobachter newspapers1; they will not suddenly divest German Jews of their consti- tutional rights, lock them away in race ghettos, or subject them to the avaricious and murderous impulses of the mob. They not only cannot do this because many other crucial factors hold their powers in check, rang- ing from the Reich president to some of the political parties affiliated with them, but they also clearly do not want to go this route, for when one acts as a European world power, the whole atmosphere is more conducive to ethical reflection upon one’s better self than to revisiting one’s earlier oppositional role: operating as a European world power means that one seeks an enduring place in the harmonious exchange of peoples of culture. And beyond that, it is clear that the powers at Wilhelmstrasse2 no longer see demagogic appeals designed to heat up mass gatherings of the Volk as strictly necessary. The new Prussian Minister of the Interior [Hermann Göring] can perform a far greater service to the old comrades in arms and party friends by rejuvenating the huge, state civil service along National Socialist lines than by making open concessions to the brutal manifesta- tions of hatred of Jews.

“The New Situation,” Der Israelit, February 2, 1933, 1–2 (translated from German).

https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20091110-Matthaus-Ch-1.pdf

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Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa.../amp/617252002

Trump gets the loudest cheers at his rallies in response to his most racist comments.

OccultHawk · 11-06-2018, 02:35 AM

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We've already done something pretty reprehensible with imprisoning immigrant children.

Families were broken up with so much disregard that they didn’t even carefully document where they took the children and some families may not ever be reunited.

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Nearly 250 migrant children still separated from parents, ACLU report says

The 245 children still in custody fall into two categories: Those whose parents have been deported back to their home countries (175) and children whose parents remain in the United States (70).

On average, they have spent 154 days — about five months — in government custody, the ACLU said. A few have waited nearly a year.

Look, if that’s not...

If...

That’s fascism.

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Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	Well, I'd say that the voter only has limited responsibility for what his candidate does when in office. As we all know, campaign promises are made and broken, secret agendas come to light. The voters responsibility is to make the best decision he can, according to his ideology, at the moment of voting. If your preferred candidate has some good, some bad policies, I think you should make a value judgement as best you can; vote for him if his good outweighs his bad, or not if it's the other way round. __________________ "Am I enjoying this moment? I know of it and perhaps that is enough." - Sybille Bedford, 1953

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~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,823	We need to reform our voting system. We need INSTANT RUN-OFF / RANKED voting.

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~~Dude111~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 758	I dont vote but I hear they want RED to win.......