2020 US Election Thread

[Lisnaholic]

I am very impressed with your graphics, Neapolitan, especially that magnifying-glass look at what was going on when Obama transitioned to Trump. That's clever of you to identify the rallying Wall Street that you mentioned.

I sympathise with your exasperation about finding out what is really happening in the US. We live in what is sometimes called a "post-truth" era, in which politicians are prepared to tell bald-face lies and media sources distort and omit information to suit their political bias. That can happen on both sides of the aisle, though when it comes to lying politicians, I don't think there is much doubt any longer that the award for Most Flagrant Liars goes to Trump and his admin.

A quick google search of "Biden bans windows" led me to a fact-checking site with this unequivacal statement:-

Joe Biden's climate change policy does not include baning windows as suggested by Donald Trump

Trump made a claim that Joe Biden's climate change and clean energy policy include banning windows. Research on Joe Biden's statements on his climate change and clean energy plans do not suggest any such intention. Furthermore, the fine print of Biden's actual climate change plan does not include any steps to 'ban windows.'

The statement was made by Trump in light of his long-standing and differing climate change policy compared to Biden, who in fact supports climate change and clean energy initiatives.

Therefore, there is no verifiable basis for Trump's claim that Biden wishes to ban windows to counter global warming.

Trump is notorious for not reading his Daily Presidential Briefings, for favouring one verbal denial from Putin, in Helsinki, over the intelligence assessment of a team of American specialists, etc. As tore's signature used to say, "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice", and Trump continually displays his willful ignorance. We - you, me and MB - research issues more thoroughly than Trump does, which is why he so often comes down on the wrong side of an issue and retweets discredited conspiracy theories. His misjudgements due to ignorance go back to his position on the Central Park 5, and take in, en route, his laughable notions about cleaning infected lungs with bleach. He doesn't know if Fredrick Douglass is alive or dead, and when he talks about windmills causing cancer, it's clear he hasn't done his homework: if he had, he'd know, at a minimum, that windmills, windpumps and wind turbines are 3 completely different machines.

[OccultHawk]

Nea

Correct me if I’m wrong but my take is the cliff notes on your position isn’t pro Trump at all but you’re just saying the other **** is also ****. Is that a fair one sentence summary?

[SGR]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Nea

Correct me if I’m wrong but my take is the cliff notes on your position isn’t pro Trump at all but you’re just saying the other **** is also ****. Is that a fair one sentence summary?

I can't speak for Nea but it sounds like his main contention is that the media constantly lies about or misrepresents what Trump says or does.

e.g. the "fine people" hoax that Joe Biden used when launching his campaign and that the media mindlessly reiterated, Russian collusion, etc.

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Nea

Correct me if I’m wrong but my take is the cliff notes on your position isn’t pro Trump at all but you’re just saying the other **** is also ****. Is that a fair one sentence summary?

Well TBH I don't hate Trump, but I am not going to force this non-hatred stance of Trump of mine on anyone. So it's more an objective stance rather than a "pro Trump" stance. I prefer to reason things out and let the cards fall where they may. If they walk away from the conversation hating less, I would like to have this done by their own volition. But yes " ... other **** is also ****.

You have to understand that I spend 90% of my free time on music and I have very little time for politics.

[OccultHawk]

New subject but did you hear Trump’s press conference yesterday:

"I'm not saying the military's in love with me -- the soldiers are, the top people in the Pentagon probably aren't because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy," Trump told reporters at a White House news conference.

Sometimes he’s like if Mussolini joined the MC5. The MC5 were sexist af too in case you didn’t know that (not trying to condescend)

[SGR]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

New subject but did you hear Trump’s press conference yesterday:



Sometimes he’s like if Mussolini joined the MC5. The MC5 were sexist af too in case you didn’t know that (not trying to condescend)

Interesting - Trump at times seems to be the most dishonest president but at other times seems to be the most honest president (like that quip you quoted). What other president would just come out and say that?

Not sure I see the Mussolini connection.

[OccultHawk]

Not sure I see the Mussolini connection.

I think he’s kind of a poor man’s Mussolini. Left totally unchecked I think he’d be a kind of cross between Mussolini and Idi Amin.

[SGR]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I think he’s kind of a poor man’s Mussolini. Left totally unchecked I think he’d be a kind of cross between Mussolini and Idi Amin.

Okay, I mean, maybe.

But wasn't your comparison a response/comment to what you quoted? I don't see the relation there ("he’s like if Mussolini joined the MC5"). Unless your comment is completely disconnected from that.

[OccultHawk]

It’s about 75% non sequitur

[jwb]

The other 10% is on counting and recounting the tiles on his kitchen floor.