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Lisnaholic 11-04-2020 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2142814)
Trump to lie soon from the WH.

ftfy Soundgarden ;)

OccultHawk 11-04-2020 05:11 AM

Pennsylvania can’t get their votes counted fast enough to avoid getting it sent to the Supreme Court that he personally stacked.

Once the Supreme Court rubber stamps him and he keeps the senate it’s a full dictatorship

Honestly- tell me the path

The good news is I’m almost done posting or thinking about politics.

Voting. Protesting. All of it is a big ****ing waste.

Lisnaholic 11-04-2020 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 2142753)
If you dip**** ****s vote for four more years of this arsehole you can stick your heads up your arse and **** off because I’ve had it with that ****ing moron and you deserve whatever **** you get. See you in four years you ****tards.

By your recent standards, this is unusually verbose for you, Stephen ! ;)

Perhaps I'd use calmer language myself, but I think, on the global stage, it's a commonly held opinion: electing Trump once could be excused as an error of judgement, as being naively taken in by a conman. Voting him back into office, with full knowledge, would indicate an alarming shift in American attitudes.

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2142783)
Nobody has close to the military capability of the US.

That includes everything from hardware to bases worldwide.

But a key part of that is the US Naval empire, inherited by the Brits after world war 2, through which we control the vast majority of international trade routes.

The other major part being the r&d for new weapons systems by which we help subsidize all the other world militaries by having the top technology and then exporting it overseas.

The vacuum question is real and has already been observed. See: Russia invading crimea. They wouldn't have dared that during the cold war. Once our attention was diverted to the middle east and they were fearful of losing crimea to a regime not sympathetic to the Kremlin, they considered it necessary to invade.

I wouldn't argue with this appraisal of the role of the USA, though I'm not clear about the bold bit.

But how much importance should we attach to world dominance? After all, the USSR was a world power second only to the US, but that fact didn't do much good to gulag victim, Ivan Denisovich or millions of impoverished soviets. When it comes to quality of life for its citizens, a country's global position may only have an indirect effect.

Look at New Zealand; a small isolated country without military might or many exports (apart from lamb chops). They have only had one mass shooting event and within weeks the government enacted restrictive gunlaws to protect their citizens. They clamped down so effectively on covid that they have been able to return to normal life, afaik.

Powerful homeland or not, who, in the US or Europe, doesn't feel a twinge of envy when they hear about NZ ? In that sense, they are the true world leaders.

SGR 11-04-2020 08:03 AM

If Biden holds NV, MI, WI, and AZ he wins.

MI and WI have flipped blue.

OccultHawk 11-04-2020 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2142833)
If Biden holds NV, MI, WI, and AZ he wins.

MI and WI have flipped blue.

Biden could win all of them and Trump can demand recounts install fear and confusion get it sent to courts stacked in his favor and Trump will stay in office a true dictator.

Anteater 11-04-2020 08:44 AM

I added up what's left. Biden looks like he's on track for exactly 270. Trump looks somewhere around 264. Biden clearly wins.

OccultHawk 11-04-2020 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2142840)
I added up what's left. Biden looks like he's on track for exactly 270. Trump looks somewhere around 264. Biden clearly wins.

I’ll believe it when he’s sworn in.

Exo 11-04-2020 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2142840)
I added up what's left. Biden looks like he's on track for exactly 270. Trump looks somewhere around 264. Biden clearly wins.

Looking this way although there's still a chance Biden wins GA and PA. Insanely. Looks like he'll hold NV,AZ,MI, and WI.

Lisnaholic 11-04-2020 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Anteater (Post 2142840)
I added up what's left. Biden looks like he's on track for exactly 270. Trump looks somewhere around 264. Biden clearly wins.

First time I'm not going to take issue with one of your political posts, Anteater! You are clearly a more astute observer of US politics than I previously thought ;)

SGR 11-04-2020 10:06 AM

Will Wisconsin need to have a recount? It's likely

TheBig3 11-04-2020 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2142842)
I’ll believe it when he’s sworn in.

This is the right posture.

Lisnaholic 11-04-2020 10:19 AM

It's all quite exciting, but at the same time tedious:

“When we have the first unofficial tabulation, which we hope will come some time in the next 24 hours, we will finalize official protocols moving towards an official tabulation, which could take even more time,” said Michigan Secretary of State, Jocelyn Benson.

Let's go, baby! Get those protocols moving towards an official tabulation!

TheBig3 11-04-2020 10:21 AM

American Government is supposed to be a slow-moving nightmare. Some blame the founders for this, but I blame the entitled couch sitters who feel that you should show up in November with two "really great choices" after doing jack **** in the mid-terms.

Lucem Ferre 11-04-2020 10:26 AM

Only two?

SGR 11-04-2020 10:34 AM

Still think it's possible Trump flips Arizona. And then gets PA.

TheBig3 11-04-2020 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2142861)
Only two?

Yes, until someone explains to me why 4 *******s are better than 2, I'm not going to virtual signal the greatness of two "parties" that cover 25% of the issues and refuse to do the hard work of getting people into the House.

Exo 11-04-2020 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2142862)
Still think it's possible Trump flips Arizona. And then gets PA.

Why did so many news outlets report that we won Arizona?

Frownland 11-04-2020 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2142863)
Yes, until someone explains to me why 4 *******s are better than 2, I'm not going to virtual signal the greatness of two "parties" that cover 25% of the issues and refuse to do the hard work of getting people into the House.

Well if each ******* covers 25% of the issues, then four actually sounds like just what we need.

TheBig3 11-04-2020 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2142864)
Why did so many news outlets report that we won Arizona?

They thought it was 95% of all votes having been reported. It was something like 85% - Don't quote me on the numbers but it was something like that.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2142866)
Well if each ******* covers 25% of the issues, then four actually sounds like just what we need.

Disagree.

Exo 11-04-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2142867)
They thought it was 95% of all votes having been reported. It was something like 85% - Don't quote me on the numbers but it was something like that.

Hopefully doesn't swing. That was a big Biden win.

Frownland 11-04-2020 11:09 AM

What could be better than covering 100% of the issues?

Are you suggesting that we go all the way to 125% with five *******s? Because that's where I have to draw the line.

jwb 11-04-2020 12:01 PM

The American system is basically inherently inclined towards two parties. We would have to completely revamp the system to something more akin to a parliament to make 3rd parties truly viable imo. Which would require what exactly? Amending the Constitution? I'm honestly unclear on the specifics of how you could do that.

There are inherent pros and cons to a parliamentary system as well. Instead of the ideal of more sides being heard what often happens is alliances between parties to secure power that essentially breaks down as a de facto two party or two coalitions of parties rule, which can often give more leverage to a smaller conservative party the same way our electoral college does.

I'm undecided on the issue btw I just think it's less clear cut than you might presume.

OccultHawk 11-04-2020 12:06 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/3RFP0Xgv/4-CA8-...1-F62-E082.jpg

Get those goddamn votes counted

Exo 11-04-2020 12:24 PM

2016 - Illegal votes could be counted!

2020 - Legal votes could be counted!

Get f*cked you knob.

The Batlord 11-04-2020 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2142860)
American Government is supposed to be a slow-moving nightmare. Some blame the founders for this, but I blame the entitled couch sitters who feel that you should show up in November with two "really great choices" after doing jack **** in the mid-terms.

I mean what do you expect to happen in a capitalist representative republic explicitly designed to serve wealthy landowners as pseudo-aristocrats?

OccultHawk 11-04-2020 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2142877)
2016 - Illegal votes could be counted!

2020 - Legal votes could be counted!

Get f*cked you knob.

It’s time to start thinking about violent solutions.

Lucem Ferre 11-04-2020 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2142880)
It’s time to start thinking about violent solutions.

A tournament of Mortal Kombat where the winner gets to be president.

OccultHawk 11-04-2020 01:00 PM

Biden won Wisconsin!

FLIPPED!!!

TheBig3 11-04-2020 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2142879)
I mean what do you expect to happen in a capitalist representative republic explicitly designed to serve wealthy landowners as pseudo-aristocrats?

I expect more.

Marie Monday 11-04-2020 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2142893)
Biden won Wisconsin!

FLIPPED!!!

https://media.giphy.com/media/ORvraR...7phG/giphy.gif

Exo 11-04-2020 01:52 PM

F*cked up sh*t happening in PA. Trump team declaring victory with a million votes to count in Philly. Right wing protesters. Those vote processing locations need to be protected.

Lucem Ferre 11-04-2020 01:53 PM

He's trying to pull a final fascism.

Exo 11-04-2020 02:01 PM

Protesters trying to get into the Detroit locations chanting "Stop the Count".

TheBig3 11-04-2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2142906)
Protesters trying to get into the Detroit locations chanting "Stop the Count".

Are they being stopped by the roving gangs of looters, ANTIFA, and the constant fires?

Exo 11-04-2020 02:09 PM

I say we stop counting right now...and call Biden president.

They're literally chanting stop the count in a state Biden is WINNING.

Lisnaholic 11-04-2020 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2142872)
The American system is basically inherently inclined towards two parties. We would have to completely revamp the system to something more akin to a parliament to make 3rd parties truly viable imo. Which would require what exactly? Amending the Constitution? I'm honestly unclear on the specifics of how you could do that.

I don't know that any big constitutional change would be necessary; just enough willing /popular politicians to go their own way. If Bernie Saunders and The Squad split from the Dems, for example, they could be a third party, or if a bunch of independents got together.

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There are inherent pros and cons to a parliamentary system as well. Instead of the ideal of more sides being heard what often happens is alliances between parties to secure power that essentially breaks down as a de facto two party or two coalitions of parties rule, which can often give more leverage to a smaller conservative party the same way our electoral college does.
Yep, the UK routinely has a third political party, typically with just a few seats, but often important enough to be wooed, issue by issue, into supporting one of the 2 main parties. Works OK, afaik, and contributes to a plurality of voices, though, as I think you're suggesting, a small party can find itself lucky enough to tip the balance in a way that's disproportionate to its size.

jwb 11-04-2020 02:24 PM

They won't go their own way because that just splits the left and helps the right. Same with the libertarians on the other side. That's what I mean when I say the system inherently favors two party rule.

Marie Monday 11-04-2020 02:26 PM

That is true. I guess the many-party system only works when the government is a coalition of multiple parties

Exo 11-04-2020 02:30 PM

Looks like they're calling Michigan.

Biden doesn't need PA now.

OccultHawk 11-04-2020 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Exo (Post 2142906)
Protesters trying to get into the Detroit locations chanting "Stop the Count".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...248.html%3famp

wow


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