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OccultHawk 11-05-2020 08:36 AM

Both candidates still have a path to victory.

I know it’s obvious.

Nevada - count the ****ing votes already ffs

adidasss 11-05-2020 08:40 AM

Yeah that the fuck is taking so long, what is this, some third world country??

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2143000)
Yeah that the fuck is taking so long, what is this, some third world country??

We wish we could reach third world status.

TheBig3 11-05-2020 08:44 AM

Based on my vast history of working dead-end office jobs, I'm going to guess Nevada is going to hope that if PA goes for Biden, they don't have to do as much work.

"Uh, yeah it looks like it went 51% Trump"

And no one gives a **** because the election is over anyway.

Norg 11-05-2020 08:47 AM

The question is what does the state of Nevada have to gain for going blu ..???

did the city of las vegas cut some sort of deal ..???

TheBig3 11-05-2020 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 2143003)
The question is what does the state of Nevada have to gain for going blu ..???

did the city of las vegas cut some sort of deal ..???

Historically Nevada goes blue because of the Culinary Union in NV. Harry Reid, former Senate Majority Leader ran Nevada like Tammany Hall ran New York. The problem is that much of Nevada is Latino, and there was a huge disinfo campaign being run on Spanish-speaking media.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/21/u...formation.html

Marie Monday 11-05-2020 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2143000)
Yeah that the fuck is taking so long, what is this, some third world country??

Some vote counters in Georgia allegedly forgot to press 'upload' to post their latest count updates lmao

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2143006)
Some vote counters in Georgia allegedly forgot to press 'upload' to post their latest count updates lmao

We were never the brightest folks.

jwb 11-05-2020 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2142995)
He could get AZ and be at 270, couldn't he?

He would have to challenge it then wouldn't he? AZ was already declared for Biden.

On the map I'm looking at the only states not declared are PA, GA, NC and NV. All Biden needs for 270 is NV. Trump needs either all 4 of those states or to challenge and flip a state that was already declared with a recount.

SGR 11-05-2020 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2143010)
He would have to challenge it then wouldn't he? AZ was already declared for Biden.

On the map I'm looking at the only states not declared are PA, GA, NC and NV. All Biden needs for 270 is NV. Trump needs either all 4 of those states or to challenge and flip a state that was already declared with a recount.

Nah, the media doesn't decide. They're just projections. The votes just need to be counted and it needs to flip. Not all the votes have been counted.

Nate Silver Says Fox News and AP Projections For Biden in Arizona ‘Should Be Retracted Now’

jwb 11-05-2020 09:15 AM

So what makes them call certain states but not others? That's confusing.

Marie Monday 11-05-2020 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2143013)
Nah, the media doesn't decide. They're just projections. The votes just need to be counted and it needs to flip. Not all the votes have been counted.

Nate Silver Says Fox News and AP Projections For Biden in Arizona ‘Should Be Retracted Now’

That's true, and it depends on the map you're looking at. AP and fox declared Arizona for Biden but that seems to have been premature.
These media all have their ways of calculating when a state is certain to be won by one of the candidates, but apparently the methods are not always accurate? It confuses me too

TheBig3 11-05-2020 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2143016)
So what makes them call certain states but not others? That's confusing.

Projections drawn from outstanding regions based on historical precedent. The major hang-up in AZ as I understand it is that they thought they had 95% and it was much lower, meaning projections based on "10% of ballots are more likely to favor Trump from that district" get all ****ed up.

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2143016)
So what makes them call certain states but not others? That's confusing.

You already know the answer to that. They called California right when the polls closed.

SGR 11-05-2020 09:27 AM

Trump tweet:

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All of the recent Biden claimed States will be legally challenged by us for Voter Fraud and State Election Fraud. Plenty of proof - just check out the Media. WE WILL WIN! America First!

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 09:28 AM

Gut check time

SGR 11-05-2020 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2143026)
Gut check time

What do you think? Has Trump been known to follow through on things? I wonder how hard it will be for Trump to find instances of irregularites or fraud...

Lucem Ferre 11-05-2020 09:31 AM

He'll do what ever he can to try to remain in power.

SGR 11-05-2020 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2143028)
He'll do what ever he can to try to remain in power.

The only way I think he can is if he does so legally and through the courts. There's just too much scrutiny on him right now, especially with Joe Biden leading.

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2143027)
What do you think? Has Trump been known to follow through on things? I wonder how hard it will be for Trump to find instances of irregularites or fraud...

I think he hires lawyers to work with judges that he likely had a role directly or indirectly of appointing and who also have an incentive to be on his good side if this “democracy” dies. It doesn’t take a consensus to stall things. In fact, a lot of people who are horrified by the prospect now would soon be saying well they do need to double check these things and there’s two sides to the issue and we really need nuance and he’s not really a dictator. He’s using the process and every other justification instead of just admitting we are totally ****ed.

I think this is very serious and very possible.

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2143031)
The only way I think he can is if he does so legally and through the courts. There's just too much scrutiny on him right now, especially with Joe Biden leading.

Yes. The Supreme Court that has six right wing Trump loving Catholics on it.

That’s not good.

Word is it can’t go to the court. OK. Until the court just says we’re looking at this. Then what?

SGR 11-05-2020 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2143033)
Yes. The Supreme Court that has six right wing Trump loving Catholics on it.

That’s not good.

Word is it can’t go to the court. OK. Until the court just says we’re looking at this. Then what?

I could be wrong, but I don't think Trump can simply choose to fast-track something to the Supreme Court. How it gets there depends on the case.

Regardless, to get there, there would need to be serious evidence and I think the issue would have to be outside the jurisdiction of lower courts.

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2143035)
I could be wrong, but I don't think Trump can simply choose to fast-track something to the Supreme Court. How it gets there depends on the case.

Regardless, to get there, there would need to be serious evidence and I think the issue would have to be outside the jurisdiction of lower courts.

That is the way it SHOULD be. I hope you’re right.

SGR 11-05-2020 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2143038)
That is the way it SHOULD be. I hope you’re right.

Either way - Trump has a dangerous teams of lawers lined up. And, if the Democrats cheated and they find evidence of it (and let's be honest, both sides probably do a little cheating every election - the degree to which they both cheat is the question), you can bet his lawyers will line up a tough case and it'll be looked at by somebody. Lower courts could still make a decision that sways the election one way or the other.

In the meantime, both sides will be engaging in a battle of information warfare. Victory is far from assured for either side. Even if Joe Biden wins Nevada/Arizona today, Trump will not be conceding any time soon.

It's possible that mail-in votes explain the huge voter turnout, but it does seem a little strange to me that Joe Biden, a guy who could barely get 100 people to show up at his rallies and had markedly lower enthusiasm than Trump voters, could garner more votes than 2008 Obama, who had huge enthusiasm from voters. Again though, mail-in votes and hatred of Trump could explain it.

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 10:10 AM

Also the gross mishandling of covid which is what inspired me

Frownland 11-05-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2143039)
It's possible that mail-in votes explain the huge voter turnout, but it does seem a little strange to me that Joe Biden, a guy who could barely get 100 people to show up at his rallies and had markedly lower enthusiasm than Trump voters, could garner more votes than 2008 Obama, who had huge enthusiasm from voters. Again though, mail-in votes and hatred of Trump could explain it.

I think that people who would be at a Biden rally under normal circumstances are probably more inclined to avoid large gatherings during a pandemic than people who go to Trump rallies.

SGR 11-05-2020 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2143044)
Also the gross mishandling of covid which is what inspired me

That would fall under hatred of Trump.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2143046)
I think the people who would be at a Biden rally under normal circumstances are probably more inclined to avoid large gatherings than Trump supporters.

That's definitely true.

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 10:20 AM

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That would fall under hatred of Trump.
ok

You might have to feel my hatred levels to get the distinction between hate and hate.

Norg 11-05-2020 11:04 AM

is there scenerio were both of them get 270 ..????


why is maine and nebraska in stripes ..???? have they already been added to the total ..??? ooo nvm i guess they have been added i guess it all comes down to Nevada lol


i like how they map is its basically the SOuth the the Rust belt the mountain and heartland states and texas are all for RED and Trump

and then

New england region alla north east the great lake canada border states the west coast and the desert is all for Blue

thats how its usually be for a while now Colorado is the only new rouge state that turned blu in the past they usually went with there montain state buddies and went red


intresting

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 11:25 AM

Maine and Nebraska don’t automatically award all their points to one candidate. Biden got one point off each of them. It seems like Maine would be a little less moronic.

I tried the math and I don’t think a tie is possible from here

Norg 11-05-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2143059)
Maine and Nebraska don’t automatically award all their points to one candidate. Biden got one point off each of them. It seems like Maine would be a little less moronic.

I tried the math and I don’t think a tie is possible from here

yeah its not but on the map maine and NEBrska points have already been added to the total

it all comes down the Nevada either way whatever i could care less who wins

i just like colors on maps LOL

Marie Monday 11-05-2020 01:05 PM

bruh

Anteater 11-05-2020 01:07 PM

<3


OccultHawk 11-05-2020 01:18 PM

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i just like colors on maps
let me know if you see any colors you haven’t learned yet

I used to be a teacher

Lisnaholic 11-05-2020 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2143035)
I could be wrong, but I don't think Trump can simply choose to fast-track something to the Supreme Court. How it gets there depends on the case.

Regardless, to get there, there would need to be serious evidence and I think the issue would have to be outside the jurisdiction of lower courts.

Yep, I've heard this too. Also there have been a few slap-downs of Trump inspired cases in the supreme court, haven't there? If you're a judge, this might be your thinking: " OK, the GOP got me here, but now I'm here for life. I can please myself, and I'd like my judgements to look good in the history books."

__________________________________________________ ___________

Some of these slow-counting states are driving the media crazy, reporting news when there is no news. CNN, for example, have updated their headline:-
Yesterday: Biden closing in on 270
Today: Biden eyes 270

SGR 11-05-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Norg (Post 2143057)
is there scenerio were both of them get 270 ..????

No, but there is a scenario where they tie at 269 - in this case - a faithless elector.

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 02:36 PM

Are 2 69’s as good as I’m thinking?

OccultHawk 11-05-2020 02:37 PM

Actually that’s 4 69’s if you think about it.

That should make everyone happy.

SGR 11-05-2020 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2143075)
Actually that’s 4 69’s if you think about it.

That should make everyone happy.

You can have Nancy Pelosi.

Frownland 11-05-2020 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2143070)
Some of these slow-counting states are driving the media crazy, reporting news when there is no news.

This just in: people are making memes based on current events!

As America anxiously waits, voters find a bit of laughter in memes


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