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Old 09-16-2020, 04:01 PM   #301 (permalink)
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Was he the guy who couldn't handle life on the outside and killed himself? Good question!
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Old 09-16-2020, 04:41 PM   #302 (permalink)
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Please, please, please let him be right again. I'm still worried about the debates, though.

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Right now, polls say Joe Biden has a healthy lead over President Trump. But we’ve been here before (cue 2016), and the polls were, frankly, wrong. One man, however, was not. The historian Allan Lichtman was the lonely forecaster who predicted Mr. Trump’s victory in 2016 — and also prophesied the president would be impeached. That’s two for two. But Professor Lichtman’s record goes much deeper. In 1980, he developed a presidential prediction model that retrospectively accounted for 120 years of U.S. election history. Over the past four decades, his system has accurately called presidential victors, from Ronald Reagan in ’84 to, well, Mr. Trump in 2016.

In the video Op-Ed [below], Professor Lichtman walks us through his system, which identifies 13 “keys” to winning the White House. Each key is a binary statement: true or false. And if six or more keys are false, the party in the White House is on its way out.

So what do the keys predict for 2020? To learn that, you’ll have to watch the video.

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Old 09-16-2020, 04:54 PM   #303 (permalink)
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Did you forget 1984?
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Old 09-16-2020, 08:44 PM   #304 (permalink)
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No, I didn't , though I struggle to relate Frownland´s post to our discussion, or to the US today. That's the bit I was thinking of as cryptic: what is Frownland really telling us?

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Please, please, please let him be right again. I'm still worried about the debates, though.


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HaHa! Quite a nail-biter, ribbons!

To vote or not to vote? oddly enough, I just saw this news item on youtube:-



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Scientific American:- The 2020 election is literally a matter of life and death. We urge you to vote for health, science and Joe Biden for President.
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Old 09-16-2020, 08:53 PM   #305 (permalink)
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No, I didn't , though I struggle to relate Frownland´s post to our discussion, or to the US today. That's the bit I was thinking of as cryptic: what is Frownland really telling us?
My point is that framing not voting as an endorsement tantamount to voting for Trump is an Orwellian attempt to coerce the public at worst and illogical at best.
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:12 PM   #306 (permalink)
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My point is that framing not voting as an endorsement tantamount to voting for Trump is an Orwellian attempt to coerce the public at worst and illogical at best.
Not voting isn't outright support of Trump. But failure to vote against Trump implies you at least find his actions permissible. Why not show up and vote for yourself?
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:32 PM   #307 (permalink)
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Not voting isn't outright support of Trump. But failure to vote against Trump implies you at least find his actions permissible.
That may be behind why you're not voting, but for me, the main issue is that I can't explicitly permit the actions of either candidate.
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Old 09-17-2020, 01:36 AM   #308 (permalink)
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A vision isn’t nothing and the Biden camp has a much better vision. Unfortunately, I believe their path will also lead the other way. Trumpism is a quick bottoming out and it’s true there’s no guarantee of ever seeing light again. But Bidenism is an entrenched slow and steady train to the same old same old except environmentalism which is fast tracking itself into disaster and Biden will continue to enable the profiteers, even as he maybe even believes the different tune he’s singing. And that old school Americana doesn’t advertise its insanity like Trump does. It flies under the radar, perhaps making it even more insidious.

Where you and I will probably never meet is at my staunch and dogmatic stance that civil rights and sane environmental policies are impossible under capitalism. We will lose playing whack a mole with social, environmental, and economic justice. There’s no centrist position to work with. Destroy the planet in twenty years instead of ten? Maybe I’m insane not to take the extra decade but it’s just too much blood on my hands. I’m very reluctant to be a part of a problem. Even if it’s a lesser one.
would you say the same about Bernie Sanders who isn't all that radical
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Old 09-17-2020, 01:42 AM   #309 (permalink)
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tfw tru Communists knew they had a lesser of two evil vote regardless of who was the Democrats nominee
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President Trump gets a Spike in Michigan
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