2020 US Election Thread

[Lisnaholic]

Yes, Neapolitan, politicians will always blame the previous admin for their own woes, and I'm sure that in some cases there is some justification, especially in the first year or so of a term because changes don't take effect overnight. There's also often a wobble in the stock market when there is a change of leader, but I don't think that it lurched around as much as you suggest. In fact the economy from Obama to Trump has been pretty steady, if these 3 graphs are any indication: stocks, job growth, GDP:-

Spoiler for 3 big graphs:

If Trump has a weak case for blaming Obama for present economic problems, he has a non-existent one for blaming Obama for his own mishandling of the pandemic. In 2018, Trump gutted what he inherited from Obama, a team of professionals working in a Directorate of Global Health Security and Biodefense, exactly the people capable of flagging up and preparing for the coronavirus:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...demic-response

...which makes this obviously unfair blaming even less fair:-

Eyebrows were raised at US president Donald Trump's latest press conference as he appeared to blame Barack Obama's government for faulty coronavirus tests.However, COVID-19 didn't exist when Trump took over from Obama in January of 2017."The original tests, the ones we inherited, they were broken, they were obsolete, they were not good tests and that's what we got stuck with," Trump said."We've developed some incredible tests."

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

.... It's the silly nonsense that comes out of his mouth e.g. "I have hairy legs." - Joe Biden.

I have no answer for that, Neapolitan!

Trump sounds concerned

Maybe, but instead of being clearly focused and leading to solutions, his concern is like this:-


What is Trump's problem with windows and air conditioning? What are his solutions to these pressing issues?

[SGR]

Judicial Watch Files Suit after Secret Service Admits to Destroying Records Related to Alleged Biden Altercation with Secret Service Agent

Judicial Watch announced today that it filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security for records that the Secret Service claims to have destroyed related to a reported physical altercation between a Secret Service Agent and Joe Biden at a photo op in 2009 (Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of Homeland Security (No. 1:20-cv-02457)).

The lawsuit was filed after the Secret Service failed to respond to a July 14, 2020 administrative appeal challenging its claim that all files related to the 2009 altercation, “ha[d] been destroyed,” due to “retention standards.”

On March 29, 2020, the Gateway Pundit republished a 2017 report alleging that an unidentified Secret Service agent was suspended for a week in 2009 for “shoving Biden after he cupped his girlfriend’s breast while the couple was taking a photo with him.” “The situation got so heated … that others had to step in to prevent the agent from hitting the then-Vice President,” according to the report.

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Yes, Neapolitan, politicians will always blame the previous admin for their own woes, and I'm sure that in some cases there is some justification, especially in the first year or so of a term because changes don't take effect overnight. There's also often a wobble in the stock market when there is a change of leader,

Not a directionless "wobble" but a specific direction. Stocks went down with the announcement of B.O. (for that day) and stocks rallied for D.J. Trump. That was how it was reported at the time. The news made the correlation. Perhaps W.S. reacted that way due to fear of what the economy would do under B.O. or conversely positive expectations of a strong economy under D.J. Trump. In all honesty there could be other reasons too, other economic factors but that how the news reported it. (In my own opinion W.S. shouldn't react emotionally, or be driven by hypothetical speculations. But they do.)

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

Maybe, but instead of being clearly focused and leading to solutions, his concern is like this:-


What is Trump's problem with windows and air conditioning? What are his solutions to these pressing issues?

"That basically means no windows, no nothing. It's very hard to do. I tell people when they want to go into some of these buildings, how are your eyes because they won't be good in five years."

He isn't advocating no windows, he warning against having no windows. You can easily deduce with no windows there would only be artificial lighting. And I take from it that Trump believes that artificial lighting will have an ill effect on people's eyesight in five years time.

[Lisnaholic]

I'm not sure why you're so focused on a one-day wobble, Neapolitan, when the graph I posted showed the overall trend of one famous stock-market indicator. Big picture, the day you're talking about isn't significant:-



As for the "windows" comment, I only posted it in haste to counterbalance a run of posts that suggested Biden was too senile to debate, or express himself. I just wanted to show that Trump was equally capable of talking nonsense.

Your quote from Biden about hairy legs was very funny and I wouldn't tie myself in knots trying to defend it. I'm not sure that Trump's ill-expressed anxiety about eyesight in five years time is worth defending either, tbh.

[SGR]

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

As for the "windows" comment, I only posted it in haste to counterbalance a run of posts that suggested Biden was too senile to debate, or express himself. I just wanted to show that Trump was equally capable of talking nonsense.

I think that Nancy Pelosi coming out and suggesting Biden shouldn't debate (along with others in media doing the same) is actually really good for Biden. They are setting up our expectations for Biden to be quite low. If Biden debates, and manages to avoid any major gaffes or brain-meltdowns, the narrative afterwards will essentially be that Biden did well and exceeded all expectations (and that Trump looked petty trying to score cheap points at the expense of Biden - they'll paint him as a malevolent bully)

I don't know if that's what will happen in reality though. He did good against Bernie, but Trump might be a different thing entirely. Bernie is not a master of provocation like Trump is - we'll see how Biden handles it. If his campaign is smart, all his time in the basement has been spent preparing him for battle with Trump.

[Neapolitan]

Originally Posted by lisnaholic

i'm not sure why you're so focused on a one-day wobble, neapolitan, when the graph i posted showed the overall trend of one famous stock-market indicator.

You have to understand why I brought it up. It was possibly the only time I heard anything positive about Donald Trump in the news, quite literally the only time. And tbh I wanted to see what MB thought of it. The graph you showed me concurs with what happened in the stock market as reported in the news at that time.(see graph below) Whether or not how the "news" reported was accurate - the reason they give - is really up to contention as far as I've read in the comments that followed. If the news is reporting that there was a rally for Trump in the middle of a bull market then that seems suspicious to me. It was happening anyway, right? It's like they are just making up stuff. After I read those comments I began to have this feeling like I was being red pilled. Here I am believing that news story and here it's like the "news" was just talking totally out of their hat. I tell you one thing - thanks to MB - I'll never believe a single thing the news says about Donald Trump ever again. sheesh.

Originally Posted by lisnaholic

as for the "windows" comment, i only posted it in haste to counterbalance a run of posts that suggested biden was too senile to debate, or express himself. I just wanted to show that trump was equally capable of talking nonsense. Your quote from biden about hairy legs was very funny and i wouldn't tie myself in knots trying to defend it. I'm not sure that trump's ill-expressed anxiety about eyesight in five years time is worth defending either, tbh.

Trump was bringing to attention what would happen to workers affected by restriction that Biden wants to implement. If it was the other way around, and Joe Biden was concern about workplace conditions, I doubt that would dub as "talking nonsense." Biden would be commended for being concerned about "Social Justice" issues.