Joe Biden Love Thread

[The Batlord]

I swear to god Lisna we'll get that liberalism out of you if we have to beat it out with a shovel.

[Lisnaholic]

That's a good, solid analysis of how the candidacy for the next election is playing out, SGR !

I agree that with the GOP swallowing 2 impeachments like children under threat taking their medicine, the Jan 6th Commission is unlikely to come up with that "political killshot" you mention. But also, as you say, it's working to Dems advantage for as long as the investigation is in the news. Drip by drip, it's driving home the message; this was a coup to overthrow the results of an election and disrupt the peaceful transition of power.

Trump & Biden both have age working against them, and my suspicion is that Trump would prefer to be "kingmaker" in Mar-a-lago than actual President. For a guy who likes golf and cable tv, I bet in many ways he's glad to be out of the Oval Office with all its tedious responsibilities.

I'd forgotten how he scuppered the Republican turn-out of voters in Georgia -once in the run-offs, I think, and again with his "vote for Stacey Abrams" message. And clearly, SGR, you are not on the Trump supporter's mailing list, or you would've seen this, just a week ago (Oct 13):-

Former President Donald Trump claimed his supporters would sit out future elections if the Republican Party did not address his baseless claims that the 2020 presidential election was rigged against him.

"If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24," Trump said in a statement emailed to his supporters on Wednesday.

"It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do," he added

I'm hoping you're wrong with your prediction of the infrastructure bills failing. Certainly, that will spell disaster for the Dems, as will the voter supression issues if they don't do something to counteract what the GOP is currently doing state by state to skew or overturn election results. As if two ways of catastrophic failure weren't enough, the Biden admin also needs to show some progress on the economic recovery if they want to be invited back next term.

A prediction of yours that I'm happier with: AOC for President! That would be something to see!

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I swear to god Lisna we'll get that liberalism out of you if we have to beat it out with a shovel.

(then checks to see that my address is not in my "User CP" profile)

[rubber soul]

Call me a pessimist but I have faith in the American people- that we will screw it up yet again.

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

But also, as you say, it's working to Dems advantage for as long as the investigation is in the news. Drip by drip, it's driving home the message; this was a coup to overthrow the results of an election and disrupt the peaceful transition of power.

With the average American having the attention span of a housefly, I wouldn't count on it.

Trump & Biden both have age working against them, and my suspicion is that Trump would prefer to be "kingmaker" in Mar-a-lago than actual President. For a guy who likes golf and cable tv, I bet in many ways he's glad to be out of the Oval Office with all its tedious responsibilities.

Nah, his ego won't let him stay at Mar-a-Lago. He will run again, and he'll likely be elected again, because, again, the average American has the attention span...

I'm hoping you're wrong with your prediction of the infrastructure bills failing.

I'm afraid they already have. Two Democrats who aren't really Democrats have already said no to much of the bills. With our luck, we'll be lucky to fix the cities' potholes.

Certainly, that will spell disaster for the Dems, as will the voter suppression issues if they don't do something to counteract what the GOP is currently doing state by state to skew or overturn election results. As if two ways of catastrophic failure weren't enough, the Biden admin also needs to show some progress on the economic recovery if they want to be invited back next term.

We can overcome the voter suppression issues if enough people come out to vote. They might have to be a little more vocal as well. I still think the deciding issue will be if they get the Covid crisis under control. I think the economy will take care of itself but people are only going to wear masks for so long.

A prediction of yours that I'm happier with: AOC for President! That would be something to see!

Not a chance. Not only is she way too easy to demonize, she refuses to compromise even with mainstream liberals and her politics makes Bernie Sanders look like a Reaganite.

[Lisnaholic]

Originally Posted by rubber soul

I'm afraid they already have. Two Democrats who aren't really Democrats have already said no to much of the bills. With our luck, we'll be lucky to fix the cities' potholes.

... still negotiating though, so some hope left. A drastically reduced bill could still work as a thin end of the wedge; that gets passed, Dems survive the midterms and pass a bit more. Admitedly, one problem with this scenario is that I haven't heard anyone else suggest it

Not a chance. Not only is she way too easy to demonize, she refuses to compromise even with mainstream liberals and her politics makes Bernie Sanders look like a Reaganite.

You're right, of course, she takes some pretty extreme positions. My campaign advice for AOC: talk less and dance more:

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by rubber soul

Not a chance. Not only is she way too easy to demonize, she refuses to compromise even with mainstream liberals and her politics makes Bernie Sanders look like a Reaganite.

That's a good thing because establishment democrats are so invested in castrating themselves in capitulance to their image of what the GOP expects, then they chop a little further in the name of negotiation. A willingness to compromise across the aisle and not within their own party will likely be the undoing of said mainstream liberals as well.

Pretty sure sexism would get in the way of her campaign more than anything tbh.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Frownland

That's a good thing because establishment democrats are so invested in castrating themselves in capitulance to their image of what the GOP expects, then they chop a little further in the name of negotiation. A willingness to compromise across the aisle and not within their own party will likely be the undoing of said mainstream liberals as well.

Good point. I deleted the part about sexism obviously but otherwise yeah i agree.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Frownland

That's a good thing because establishment democrats are so invested in castrating themselves in capitulance to their image of what the GOP expects, then they chop a little further in the name of negotiation. A willingness to compromise across the aisle and not within their own party will likely be the undoing of said mainstream liberals as well.

Pretty sure sexism would get in the way of her campaign more than anything tbh.

Tbf they're not even really compromising most of the time. They're throwing the fight cause the US as it exists is basically how they want it, assuming the Republicans quit being so gosh durn difficult. They compromise cause they don't have much they really want to fight for, which is why they're at best temporary allies with the left against the right. They simply can't be worked with long-term.

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by rubber soul

Not a chance. Not only is she way too easy to demonize, she refuses to compromise even with mainstream liberals and her politics makes Bernie Sanders look like a Reaganite.

Dude that's the most effective AOC sales talk I've ever heard

[SGR]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Dude that's the most effective AOC sales talk I've ever heard

I think AOC can do for the Democrats what Trump did for Republicans (a lot of grey area there, I get it - but specifically I mean she could lead the party in a new, more progressive direction and she's strong willed enough to not make unnecessary concessions to appease the party writ large).

A lot of these arguments being made against AOC could've been made against Trump before he was elected. Despite some of the arguments having truth to them, Trump got elected anyway.

Not that I'm saying it would be a good thing overall, but if Trump got re-elected, it might be the best thing to happen for the future of the Democratic party.

I think AOC has the star power, influence, and media know-how to outmaneuver most of her opponents. And, unlike Trump, she actually has experience in government too. Maybe she won't win her first bid for president - maybe she'll soften some of her positions - but she'll eventually be in the White House. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my hat.

P.S. Imagine how effective AOC would be at trolling the right on Twitter.

Originally Posted by Frownland

Pretty sure sexism would get in the way of her campaign more than anything tbh.

With boomers and many on the right, sure. I think Millennials and Gen-Z are soon to be the biggest voting bloc in the US though (most left-leaning). And I don't think sexism is as big of a hang-up for them - the only problem is how do you get them out to vote? Bernie couldn't solve that problem.

[Exo]

Originally Posted by SGR

A lot of these arguments being made against AOC could've been made against Trump before he was elected. Despite some of the arguments having truth to them, Trump got elected anyway.

Please don't compare AOC to a man that has multiple sexual assault allegations, multiple racial discrimination complaints, and a vast history of discrimination against pretty much anything on this planet that isn't a white male.

Thanks.