The Official Covid Vaccine Thread

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

I thought that bolding the relevant text was an exaggeration on my part but apparently it wasn't even enough. I was well aware that you think the vaccine works. I'm talking about your statements on whether to take it or not, which went from 'I probably would if' to 'I'm just waiting a bit longer'. I also have enough reading comprehension to see that there's no contradiction between the two, just a difference in implication (through phrasing) which I think is intentional, because it's a pattern I've seen before. Which is why I didn't argue about your point in the first place.

I wasn't being trollish though. I don't like the waivers. There should be some kind of liability on their part if I'm going to have to get one vaccine or another in order to return to something resembling everyday life.

[Exo]

Originally Posted by Anteater

Before the anti-science trio strawman me again, I already said that I believe the vaccines work. I'm just going to wait longer before I decide which one to take. I'm in that camp of people that's more likely to develop heart inflammation with the Pfizer one, so maybe the next batch of Johnson & Johnson ones will be better.

I mean, that's fair.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Anteater

I wasn't being trollish though. I don't like the waivers. There should be some kind of liability on their part if I'm going to have to get one vaccine or another in order to return to something resembling everyday life.

Well have you considered drinking fish tank cleaner?

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by Anteater

I wasn't being trollish though. I don't like the waivers. There should be some kind of liability on their part if I'm going to have to get one vaccine or another in order to return to something resembling everyday life.

yeah that's the thing, I don't necessarily disagree with that (as far as I know, because what do I know about liabilities) and with your reply to Exo, and I don't doubt that your opinion is sincere either. But in stating it this way you take out exactly the part of your initial post that I consider trollish

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

no it's not, and that's a lazy argument to dodge responsibility. It's not relevant because you can influence it; it's relevant because it's about how individual behaviour translates to collective behaviour. Things outside your circle of influence can still be relevant to your own choices. The reason that you have no influence over others is exactly why your own decision is important, because you can't trust to what everyone else does


and there's the usual routine where you retreat from your initial trollish phrasing. You talk about an anti-science trio, but you use science like a hipster: adopting an edgy, provocatively phrased take in an effort to showcase your idea of scientific but critical, original thinking

we just see it fundamentally different

In my mind, individual choice actually has little to no potential to translate into collective behavior except to the extent that you have actual influence over others

If I was a celebrity or influencer sure it would be irresponsible to say what I'm saying... Like it would be irresponsible for me to say voting is pointless too if I had that kinda sway

But I don't so it doesn't matter. You said you can accept it doesn't really make a difference but at the same time your still trying to insist that somehow deep down it does make a difference. And I'm here to tell you that it doesn't. Your thoughts and actions are just as meaningless and devoid of impact as mine. I think we like to maintain the illusion of some sort of semblance of influence or impact cause accepting the contrary makes us feel helpless but maybe we are helpless after all.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Bro if you're this lazy about your own health do you really think you'll be any more proactive about your wealth?

the only way to be healthy is to be wealthy so it's all or nothing my friend

Are you actually telling me you give a **** about your health? Not getting vaccinated is pretty low on the list of most unhealthy decisions I've made...

[Anteater]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Well have you considered drinking fish tank cleaner?

Trump was right all along about the UV light stuff. Isn't that just hilarious?

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

yeah that's the thing, I don't necessarily disagree with that (as far as I know, because what do I know about liabilities) and with your reply to Exo, and I don't doubt that your opinion is sincere either. But in stating it this way you take out exactly the part of your initial post that I consider trollish

Fair enough. I'll try to be more clear next time.

[jwb]

Tbh Trump does have the complexion of a bona fide expert on UV light

[rostasi]

Originally Posted by Anteater

I wasn't being trollish though. I don't like the waivers. There should be some kind of liability on their part if I'm going to have to get one vaccine or another in order to return to something resembling everyday life.

Uh, oh - here comes Mr. Idiot/Don't get your point:

Originally Posted by rostasi

So, apparently, you've never been vaccinated for anything -
or if so, it must've been against your will?

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by jwb

we just see it fundamentally different

In my mind, individual choice actually has little to no potential to translate into collective behavior except to the extent that you have actual influence over others

If I was a celebrity or influencer sure it would be irresponsible to say what I'm saying... Like it would be irresponsible for me to say voting is pointless too if I had that kinda sway

But I don't so it doesn't matter. You said you can accept it doesn't really make a difference but at the same time your still trying to insist that somehow deep down it does make a difference. And I'm here to tell you that it doesn't. Your thoughts and actions are just as meaningless and devoid of impact as mine. I think we like to maintain the illusion of some sort of semblance of influence or impact cause accepting the contrary makes us feel helpless but maybe we are helpless after all.

ffs I swear craving for impact is not my motive at all. Really, I've never had an issue with the meaninglessness of my life and decisions. But you're right about us seeing it differently. I think our individual choice is insignificant, but it's part of a collective choice which does make a difference, because many insignificant bits add up to a significant whole, and since you can only control your own tiny bit the only safe option is for everyone not to mess up that part. Not so much because everyone's individual contribution is significant, but because making it a principle that everyone has to do this is the closest you can get to making sure things work out. I know I'm repeating myself, I feel like there's a satisfying analogy in here somewhere but I can't get at it