Russia, Ukraine and World War III
 

Surprised nobody has made this thread already but anyhoo...

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0124/12...ussia-ukraine/

CNN: News Alert: US places up to 8,500 troops on alert for possible deployment amid Russia tensions


Up to 8,500 US troops have been put on heightened alert to deploy as Russian troops mass on Ukraine's border, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said Monday.

US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin issued the prepare to deploy orders at the direction of President Joe Biden.

Kirby said no final decision to deploy the troops had been made.

Comments? Predictions? US has 8,500 troops ready to go, Europe via NATO moving in forces, Russia conducting "military exercises" off the Irish coastline.

Are we scared yet?

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Nothing liked reheated memes.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/CvL5...8h2ty3u841.jpg

Why would the western powers much less USA care about eastern Ukraine there not a NATO member ...???? the Russians just want to connect a land bridge to crimea basically everything east of the Volga which they could prob do in about 30 or 45 mins

USA prob shouldnt get involved and just leave it to germany and france let the ol Euro vs euro war happen seems like there just itching

besides if USA gets tied down in europe china will just have a free hand at Tawain while usa is tied down

this wont go NUclear i bet both sides have a secret agreement

You have secret, classified documents we're not aware of? When was World War III? Did I blink and miss it? :confused:

This is just saber rattling. Putin isn't an idiot, he's pretty good at gauging when to be aggressive, and pull back and wait. I'd be very surprised if this led to an actual armed conflict between the US and Russia to be honest. Ukraine wouldn't even be accepted as a NATO member for at least another decade or two because of the amount of corruption in their government, even Biden has said so. As much as I dislike Putin as a leader, he's far more cunning than a lot of Western leaders I feel like.

Yeah well you don't have their battleships "running exercises" off your coastline!

There was some sort of jets doing training exercises here last week. I haven’t read too much in to it but it’s apparently because those battleships are on their way

It certainly doesn't help for some security expert to call Ireland the "back door" to Europe! :yikes:

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022...275385-russia/

A security analyst has said that Russia has chosen to carry out missile tests off the coast of Ireland to "send a message" to Europe and NATO.

Dr Tom Clonan described Ireland as being a "weak link" in Europe when it comes to security and defence.

"Ireland is responsible for 220 million maritime acres of ocean, but we can't patrol it. We have nine ships, four of them are tied up with crew shortages. We can't see into our airpace, as we are the only country in the EU with no primary radar," he said.

He said that we have one of the busiest air corridors in Europe, with 75% of traffic from the EU and Middle East going through Irish airspace, but that we are "effectively relying on the RAF in Britain" to control our skies.

"The Russians are sending a very clear signal to Europe that Ireland is Europe's weakest link when it comes to defence; in security, in the air, at sea and in our cyber domain," he said.

"They do nothing by mistake, they're sending a message to the EU and NATO that 'your defence is weak and this is our back door into Europe'."

Britain be like "Do it! Do it! Do it!"

Well, if Russia invades Ireland, one of two things will happen, we'll nuke the bejesus out of Moscow which means I'll be getting nuked being 40 miles from Washington.

Or.. we'll pull a Neville Chamberlain and tells Putin the world is his. Thus it would be smart to, as an old classmate of mine put it, learn Russian, quick!

Anyway, I think you're safe, Trolls, for now anyway. It's just some macho posturing by good ol' Vladimir.

Hell, if they invade we'll probably all just get drunk together. Russians are big Catholics mostly and Vodka and Guinness? Time, comrades, please!

You know they're Orthodox, right?

Transformers???! :yikes:

I think your thinking of the Un-Orthobots

Orthodox Prime?

i thought Ireland is not a full member of NATO ..????


cant they just go neutral and sit this one out ..????

:love:

It must be an interesting world you live in, Norg... :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lefjaMjrOyM

this would be like

Montana breaking away from USA and being its own country for 30 years then wanting to join a defense pact with canada .....and also RUssia would have a problem with USA if they try and retake it

It would be like if America conquered Mexico, intentionally starved millions of Mexicans to death, collapsed, and then tried to reinvade Mexico.

Something, something, nuclear catastrophe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QDpC4CXr_4

ok okay but how was the people of Ukraine treated after the death of stalin becasue the Russia FO pretty much blamed all that killing stuff on him ..???

i would think not to shabby ..???? other then the accident in Chernobyl which would fall under the "accident" category and has no basis

I mean you could look up Ukrainian history yourself rather than using your own ignorance and laziness as an excuse for why Russian imperialism is actually fine.

Hey Jamie, pull up the history of Ukraine

just wanted your thoughts on it ..??? :P


besides whats the difference between USA imperialism and russian ..??? both are prob wrong

FFS Norg! Chernobyl happened because of outdated and totally unsuitable safety practices, ie about none. Then they tried to cover it up rather than admit they had ****ing almost poisoned the entire country. Read your history you loo-la! :rolleyes: Or just watch the series on it if you're too lazy to look it up.

And of course Ukraine only pushed for independence from the USSR because they had nothing better to do, not because they were being oppressed by a brutal totalitarian regime. Perish the thought. Talk to Jadis, learn something maybe.

I imagine a Ukrainian could look out the window and not be shot at by a US-backed separatist.

If you're a Ukranian, you probably would see a subtle difference.

Then again, in the grand scheme of things, Norg does make a good point.

I don't support either state and both are imperialist but in this instance American imperialist calculations are probably mostly concerned with checking Russia whereas Russian imperialist calculations are probably much more extractive. Russia rolling troops into Ukraine has been going on for generations so clearly they want something more than just a buffer state against NATO.

Just came here to say that I don't know enough about this subject to say anything about it but I know enough to know everybody's take on it is bad.

Some good news for us at least:

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0130/1276744-russia/

Last night Russia said it would relocate planned military drills so they take place outside Ireland's Exclusive Economic Zone.

Ambassador Yury Filatov said in a statement: "In response to the requests from the Irish government as well as from the Irish South and West Fish Producer's Organisation, the Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu has made a decision, as a gesture of goodwill, to relocate the exercises by the Russian Navy, planned for February 3-8, outside the Irish exclusive economic zone (EEZ), with the aim not to hinder fishing activities by the Irish vessels in the traditional fishing areas."

When asked if the Government should have pushed for the drills to be cancelled as opposed to them simply being moved outside of the Irish economic zone, Mr Coveney told RTÉ's This Week: "Of course, that's the preference but we don't control all of the levers here. In fact, we don't control very many of them at all. This is international waters that we're talking about."

why would russia attack Ireland ..???

Why did they take so long is my question? If you look at the advance of the Red Army in WW2 through Eastern Europe and into Germany they were pointed directly at Ireland, and yet they stopped and allowed their shenanigans to continue. Irish to the gulags I say.

HaHa! But sorry, Batlord, i say :nono:

The Irish have humiliated an aggressive world superpower. Good for them! Like those 100 Spartans who held back the Syrian army, Trollheart and his fisherman friends have faced down the entire Russian Navy and won. I'm gonna buy myself the T-shirt when it comes out: TH on the prow of a fishing boat, halting a Russian destroyer in its tracks, Tiananmon Square style.
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I'm always impressed by Fareed Zakaria's analysis, and his ideas about the present Ukraine stand-off are interesting too:-