SGR

Definitely some truth in that.

Left: Tendency to seek external solutions to problems
Right: Tendency to seek internal solutions to problems

I suppose the other thing with the self-help manosphere stuff is that, given the platforms these messages are spread on (Youtube, TikTok, etc.), it's all driven by attention and clicks. So in general, the cigar smoking ex-kickboxer who thinks women should be on leashes is going to be more successful than someone giving valuable, but more tame advice and perspective.

jwb

to me it's not just the existence of a market, that market exists as a reflection of real needs and problems that otherwise go unaddressed. I'm not saying the left necessarily needs to try to corner the market if they are just inherently uninterested in doing so but then the lamentations of how young men gravitate to self help types on the other side seems all the more impotent.

jwb

Like I said that isn't unique to self help though. That's true in general that superficial clicks and views drive almost all online discourse. Guys like Hasan are at the top of the heirarchy in the streaming world not because of his intellect but because of aesthetics and dumbed down content.

Frownland

The left never shuts up about the problems that create dysfunctional desires like these, those discussions just don't appeal to the get rich quick dynamic that the insecurity market demands, so scam artists appealing to that desire will rise to the top of that pyramid. These grifts only bolster the grift without solving the issues, so countergrifting would be similarly useless.

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Of course it's whack-a-mole but if the moles are convincing people to shoot up pizza restaurants and gay bars then it's insane not to whack them. Should something more be done? Does Tucker Carlson make banning Alex Jones from social media ineffective? Is there an entire media ecosystem that is too big and entrenched to be cancellable?

Yes. Obviously.

That doesn't make it pointless to step on a cockroach when you see it. That just means it's pointless if it isn't just a start.

And just like Joel Osteen and Amway are bigger, more influential, and more insidious than Andrew Tate that doesn't mean you should let them all run rampant, that means they all deserve attention. The libs who are only now starting to notice the scope of the problem just need to catch up and stop living in the 90s.

Jordan Peterson telling you to pull your pants up is a hopeless message. The problems of men in the modern age are bigger than individual responsibility can handle and that **** is a bandaid.

Why are so many men so socially isolated? Well part of the reason might be car culture turning cities into places that aren't safe for children to roam and where there's no place to roam in the first place so they just stay inside and play video games. The left might suggest urban planning to create walkable cities.

Why are so many men feeling emasculated? Well part of the reason might be the alienating nature of the modern workplace where you're a faceless cog in a machine fantasizing about earlier, manlier work where you feel more fulfilled and in control of your labor. The left might suggest labor organizing both to gain power in the workplace and the sense of fulfillment from connection with your fellow workers in a cooperative project.

Why are so many men feeling their traditional place in the world being threatened by changing gender dynamics? Well part of the reason might be that they viewed their place on top as a privilege that is being taken away. The left might suggest that this privilege was always harmful to all parties and that it would be liberating for men to shed the burden a rigid stereotype of what men are supposed to be.

And on and on and on cause men's issues are as complex and deeply entrenched as any other problem faced by society, and deciding that not sitting up straight and not working hard enough are the real problem is a coping mechanism to bring everything that can be so hard to conceptualize down to a simpler conceptual level that is easier to wrap your head around. Listening to Jordan Peterson might actually help you personally, but it isn't going to do anything to change the conditions that put men in the position they are in. The left isn't perfect by any means but they are actually trying to grapple with those conditions that Peterson and Tate ignore.

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music_collector

Dennis on It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia proved that one to be true. Unfortunately for him, it also means he can get egged.

Scarlett O'Hara

I would like to know whether men on MB feel disenfranchised and feel they need help from a creator to build their confidence, self esteem and the inflow of ideas from said creator? Or do you look up self help books or information? You're under no obligation to answer this, perhaps you could private message me and we can chat together about it. I'm 35 years old, so have some experience going through exactly what I asked above.

This is interesting for me because I am a librarian and we can reach out to young people using this for context so I can help youth 11+ to learn more about themselves, maybe help them create a budget and careers advisory. It will be helpful for me to set up events/workshops to help boys and men.

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Trollheart

I think personally I feel disenfranchised. Us aliens from planet Zrag XIX have had to deal with too much... uh, do you hear the sound of helicopters? Gotta go!


Seriously, no. I do not get it. I've never felt oppressed or disenfranchised or disembowelled or discombulated by society. Society can go **** itself. I am great. I know I'm great. All bow before me. That's healthy.

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