The Batlord

I'm well aware that our leaders' political calculations didn't change all that much after being almost lynched but even they can harbor a personal grudge. Even if Trump has to trip over his own dick to fall in a hole they can still give him an extra shove to make sure he goes in. I'm not expecting much but I still remember those heady days of Trump getting Covid and the flame burns eternal.

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Lisnaholic

I'm afraid I really can't subscribe to this idea, even if there has been a political calculation to Trump's treatment thus far, (by which I mean going easier on him than on regular people).

On the other hand, the logic of the "no-one is above the law" argument is surely plain to see in the Hush Money Payment case: Michael Cohen was prosecuted, convicted and jailed for the same crime. Now it's Trump's turn. The justice system has already blown through the precedent of indicting a former Pres and I'm hopeful that it does more than the "slap on the wrist" that you predict, SGR.

This is a pretty fanciful piece of hyperbole imo: of course, no firing squads in the USA anymore but that doesn't mean that the courts have stopped doling out "anything real". I suppose, again, the answer is to wait and see what happens. I hope that Trump faces significant punishment. If no-one has the courage to send him to jail, perhaps there'll be house arrest, "in consideration of his age" or something sim.

That's interesting, SGR. I also remember the pitiful photos of the executed Saddam Hussein: they kind of stick in the mind.

Sorry your expectations of Bush being lynched didn't come to pass, but there's a huge difference between the Bush and Trump cases: Bush can claim he was mis-informed,(which is what the UK Prime Minister did on the same issue), and didn't technically break any US laws afaik. With Trump, we have the receipts, as they say: for obstructing the repossession of classified docs, for election interference (that Georgia phone call), etc, etc.

To me, Trump's biggest crime is to have caused the unecessary death of thousands of Americans by his deliberate downplaying of Covid and his misguided support for a curative regimen of bleach and horse laxatives. Thousands and thousands of Americans died because of Trump's policies at that time, but there is no court case pending, because, like Bush, he didn't technically break a law while misleading the whole nation.

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The Batlord

Lisna, If you honestly think any other politician who paid off a hooker to keep her quiet during an election would be getting this level of legal scrutiny then you're a rube who needs to turn off CNN. I just don't care that this is politically motivated. I want more political motivation. There's a coup doer walking free and the best we can do after two entire years is this? If one prosecuter finally nutting up gets other people to feel like they can do it too then great, but this is still a national farce at the moment.

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Lisnaholic

Well, at least we agree that justice is being real slow to catch up with Trump, and the hush money case isn't the most serious of his crimes. I don't have much info about the legal scrutiny on other US politicians over sex scandals and such, but doesn't it go on all the time?
Yes, too little too late on the justice front, but current prosecuters, A Bragg, F Willis, J Smith all seem to be advancing atm, so that's why I'm hopeful. Perhaps I put too much trust in CNN, but it does have fact based content: when it reports a tornado, there's been a tornado. When it reports mounting legal pressure, I'm gonna accept that too.
Is the situation at the moment a national farce? Yes, in many ways, but nothing like the farce of having Trump as Pres. The US can hold its head up and say, "Look we are in recovery!"

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The Batlord

Nah not really. The odd local or state politician might get caught up in something (like I think maybe the governor of Illinois went to prison for literally trying to sell Obama's Senate seat when he became president) but national politicians are basically above the law.

CNN might not be the propaganda wing of the Democratic Party like Fox is for the Republican Party but they are still American nationalists, just of a different variety. They want to believe in the notion that this isn't a political indictment because it flatters their notions of American Exceptionalism whereby the government of America as laid down by the Founding Fathers is sort of like a clockwork universe created by God which can operate perfectly without divine intervention.

Political maneuvering in this worldview is therefore like Satan telling Eve to eat the apple, upsetting the natural course of the universe, and CNN would prefer to believe that the US government has not Fallen but is simply operating as it should, which just so happens to mean prosecuting someone they don't like.

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Norg

i think trump will be our next president unless he gets JFked :O

Lucem Ferre

Cap.

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Trollheart

This is my view, too. In terms of slight hyperbole, you could say Trump is the biggest mass-murderer of his own people in history. Plenty of presidents sent their boys (and girls) off to war, but this was different. This was a man who should have been leading the country and doing all he could to save as many of - let's face it - his voters as possible, yet he ignored it, denied it, pretended it didn't exist, pretended it was no big deal, and DIRECTLY through his example contributed to the deaths of over a million Americans. For that alone, he should never be let within a hundred miles of the Oval Office ever again. What he did was unprecedented, and if he somehow gets re-elected then it only proves that the American people are dumber than the dumbest monkeys in any zoo you wish to name.

Oh, and of course, let's not forget his attempted pusch of January 6.

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djchameleon

Everyone thinks this is what he's getting in trouble for but it's NOT exactly that. He's getting in trouble for being cheap and using campaign finances to pay off a hooker, well porn star. That's where he got himself in trouble. If he would have just used his own money to do it he wouldn't be in trouble. He used campaign finances to do it breaking campaign finance laws and that's what got him in trouble. Being a cheap tight wad which is hilarious.

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Trollheart

Couldn't he just write it off as a tax expense? Canvassing the pubic? Sorry I mean public. Oh no wait: I was right the first time.

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