I have chosen Born With A Bleeding Heart as the title of my next solo record

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Do you have any others? PM me some links brother.

If not: man that's ****ing metal.

I'm with Mondo. I could totally kick his, JWB's, and my own ass, all at the same time in crutches.

I don't think anyone believes you think everyone is weak. I did say "kinda". But the impression you give off, at least imo, is that you're looking down on people who don't respond to things the way you do. And those people's responses are pretty much the majority.

Also my stoicism stems from a good heart that believes mirth is king and laughter is the best medicine.

i was responding to basically people saying i'm heartless. and yea i'm looking down on them in a way cause really i know a lot of people who wouldn't cry over a dead cat.

There's a single Trouble Salad CD somewhere along with the story, lyrics, and musical ideas I scribbled down. One day I will find it again, and it will be remixed and remastered with extra instrumentation and competency. As it stands, it's basically just a lot of noise.

I get where JWB and DwnWthVwls are coming from. As a kid I was all hypersensitive and ****, but after life kicked me around enough, and I'd spent a large part of my life feeling like a miserable open wound, I guess the scar tissue built up and I just became numb to a lot of the **** that makes other people emotional. It's not like I don't feel emotions or empathy, but it takes more to get through my mental defense mechanisms. I still love my pets as much as I ever did, and I used to bawl my eyes out when they'd die, but not so much anymore.

And if the majority of people on here are the opposite of that, I think it's because a certain number of you are the touchy-feely, arty types (I say that with love) who don't have much separation between themselves and their emotions. It makes you more empathetic, but I don't imagine the constant turmoil is entirely healthy. I'm assuming that's what JWB's point was.

Ass. :laughing:

I was mostly serious, though, I think I cry more than most normal humans should. :shycouch:

Just to be clear, JWB, what I was saying (which you seem to have missed or ignored) is that the fact that you put money --- and let's be honest, we're not talking thousands here. I know you say cash is tight but seventy dollars? Anyway it's not the amount that's important --- before the possibility of easing the pet's life or maybe extending it is what makes you seem heartless to me. I do not equate heartlessness with strength; in fact, it can take a lot more courage and fortitude to be weak. Em, that makes no sense but I think you know what I'm trying to say? Kind of takes more of a man to walk away from a fight than get involved in one? Sort of thing.

When we were getting the renovations for my sister's extension done, we had to put the cats into the cattery for five months. Cost us just over 4000 Euro (yeah I said thousands!). If that had been you, you would have had the choice of paying to board them or have them put down, would you have chosen the latter? Given that we hadn't got four grand, we are paying it off at 100 a month, so it's not impossible.

On the flipside, when Spook was near her time our vet told us she could go on a ventilator that might extend her life a bit, but she was too sick to survive. It would be 200 a week. At that stage, we decided not to pay for that, not because of the money only, but because there was no guarantee. You can bet if he had said this will cure her 100 percent I would have found the money.

Like I say, you either love pets or you don't and to clarify, PET OWNERS/LOVERS can't and don't put a price on a pet's love. That you could reduce your situation to a thing like "man I wasted seventy bucks" is what boils my blood and makes me think you're a heartless person. And I'm sorry to say, the more I hear from you the less I think of you.

It boils my blood that people think they are such good care takers that animals are better off with them. :O Let's face it we dominated multiple species for our pleasure, they aren't symbiotic relationships.

The dog descended from friendlier wolves who used a relationship with humans as a survival tactic. Not so much dominated in that case. As for cats, I think they're the ones who domesticated us.

The human descended from friendlier primates who used a relationship with cats as a survival tactic. Cats were used to keep rodents from eating and polluting surplus grain kept in storage. The cats had the humans harvest the grain and store it to help facilitate hunting down mice. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticon...cat-smiley.gif

No, humans would all be dead and eaten if they could do that. Cats would cut out the middlemen.

i mean it is obvious to me that i wasted 70 bucks. i'm not going to dwell on it though.

a humane euthanization (given it was necessary) is hardly a "waste".

a "waste" is allowing an animal to suffer until its body can no longer go on.

Ironically, you are agreeing with JWB. The point is that animals should die when the time is right for them to die. People who are sad when animals die naturally, and want to prolong their lives, have some weird hangups. It's selfish to want a loved animal to live beyond its natural life. I think you agree?

You have it backwards.

How am I agreeing with him? He feels the procedure was a waste, which is really quite disgusting because without it, that poor thing would have suffered a lot more than necessary.

Of course I agree that any living creature should be compassionately laid to rest when the odds aren't in their favor (e.g.; terminal illness) because prolonged suffering of a living being for the sake of its loved ones is selfish. It's selfish to keep them alive if their quality of life has been so greatly diminished that they can't enjoy it anymore.

I hope JWB's mother doesn't get snubbed if she chooses voluntary euthanization, should she become ill with something that will ultimately destroy her in an aggressive, excruciating manner.

The point is, it doesn't matter the species; suffering is suffering. Love and compassion are necessary in the care of every living thing. (And before anyone starts rattling on about my hatred for the human race, I have to mention that 99.9% of all these fuckers aren't my responsibility, so I don't give a damn - I've always liked animals a lot more, though.) JWB, being the stoic he is, doesn't understand this.

maybe something got lost in the context here.the putting down was 35 bucks. i don't resent that. i agree it's better to put them down. i spent 70 bucks for the doctor to look at the cat, give it some shots and tell me that its bum eye is basically scar tissue. i wasted the 70 cause then we killed the cat 2 weeks later.

edit - i honestly wish i never mentioned this cat.

How about you stop using the word kill?

Can we go back to spilling our guts? Whatever is going on here makes no sense.

well that makes a little more sense (and I thought that was a bit high for compassionate death).

my parents went through something similar when my childhood cat (he lived to be 13 years old - 1999-2012) was starting to deteriorate. He had something going on with his eye and it became infected somehow, so it was decided that they would remove it (which would have been horrifying) and when they were inserting some sort of respiration tube (after they sedated him) they found that he had a giant mass in his esophagus. It was cancer.

he'd lost a bunch of his teeth despite regular cleanings and checkups, had a lot of digestive issues but they always figured it was just due to his age.

my parents thought on it for an afternoon.

he passed away in the blanket I sent him for Christmas; my parents had him cremated.

the vet wasted a lot of my dad's money despite the fact that there was nothing they could do to help the cat but the thing that hurt the most was knowing that he wasn't happy, or healthy. My dad isn't a wealthy man by any means at all, but he didn't mourn the money that was poured into the cat. He mourned the loss of his cat.

i don't understand why thats an inaccurate word and i really don't let people tell me how to talk.

I just think he meant for the sensitivity of the topic at hand being a cat being out down, maybe replacing the word kill with "put down" is a bit easier to take in. Not saying what you should do, but I think that's what Chula was getting at.

yeah, for real, ****'s getting depressing in here.

so Chula Vista's a cool guy, knows a lot about a lot, probably has some awesome stories to tell about everything.

Getting to know Neapolitan in plug lately has been really cool.

WD's still my bud, probably the only person that's gonna get a card from me this Christmas.

Batlord's still a hilarious pain in the ass.

Maybe I read it wrong but I thought he was saying that putting a pet down when it's time for it to die is the right thing to do (as opposed to selfishly keeping it alive, b/c he doesn't want loved ones to suffer pointlessly). I agree with that. I don't know his mother but I hope she dies well, I think we all 3 agree on that. If he was saying something different then **** him, I don't know.

I don't know anymore either but for the sake of keeping up with the point of this thread, I think I should tell you that you seem like a kind human and I enjoy your posts.

Engine is good people.

yea i gave it a try but i think this forums really not for me.

Don't go. I enjoy your posts most of the time that I read them.

you should stick around. from what you've said before it doesn't seem like there's a lot to do otherwise.

Hang dude. Don't let this one thread ruin the entire experience. Except for the pet stuff I dig what you have to say around here.

(and I'd dig the pet stuff more if you'd only soften the edges just a bit)

Why? it seems perfect for you. Lemme do some due diligence:

JWB: an interesting person. Smart but inexperienced. I hope you are in or going to college.

Ki: Good/lovable person but I wish you had more education. Sorry to be so crass about it but it seems like you don't know how to articulate your thoughts as well as you could. I want you to thrive and be all you can be and such. Better grammar would be good.

LiL: One of my favorite people here. Has personal hangups like all of us. Smart lady (great grammar) and super cool in general.

I know this. It's why I struggle with keeping up with a journal or writing album reviews etc. Just doesn't seem to come out the way I want it to.

Am I allowed to say F*ck You to a member? Will I get banned?

Thank you, and likewise. :)

Easy. He's mostly correct. I've always had a weird issue with putting my words together. He's just been able to observe it.