Sansa Stark

but it's okay for them to snidely tell me I made it up? lmao ok keep with the tone policing, GB.

GuitarBizarre

No, because I stated multiple times before, I'm onboard with your ideas. I think Batlord is wrong to reject them. This was already my evident position. I posted what I did in order to make clear that I won't back him up on this. But as much as I won't do that, I also won't make the claim to perfectly understand fluid gender identity to a degree sufficient to explain it to him.

Therefore the floor is yours, madam.

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Sansa Stark

I do:
GENDERQUEER AND NON-BINARY IDENTITIES

Hell Yeah, Agender!

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GuitarBizarre

Awesome, cheers.

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Carpe Mortem

Stop feeding them, dudes. Well played for sure, but if you keep feeding them they'll just come back more hungry and leprous.

Sansa Stark

I had no intention of getting out of hand like this, one person asked me what my gender is and I responded and then it spiraled

The Batlord

Wasn't being sarcastic BTW. I'm genuinely amused.

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WWWP

Seriously though, my position is simple:

gender is fluid, sentient beings have inalienable rights, what you learned in Sunday school or at the dinner table from your folks is not the end-all be-all - being alive is hard for everyone, don't make it harder for others, help when you can, stand up for others, don't stifle anyone, every voice deserves to be heard.

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GuitarBizarre

Good position. I have difficulty reconciling your stated attitude with parts of it though. I would consider standing up for others and helping when you can to be something that would result in political motivation and a drive to promote good causes actively in those places where they're both relevant and also likely to be addressed rather than dismissed. Your earlier position seems to be a responsive one rather than a proactive one, and I imagine that can only come about one of two ways:

1 - As a fallible human being, you don't have the spare energy and capability to persistently promote your good cause, and have resorted to channeling that energy into reflexive discussions about specific injustices. This is a perfectly good reason, since after all, nobody can support every good cause at the same time - I just have problems with the way you go about it, as discussed.

2 - You're actually hyper politically active outside of this forum and for some reason, presumably some semblance of privacy, you choose not to share it with us.

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WWWP

Both are accurate to some degree. I've shared a lot of my experiences with the members I'm close to on this forum. The real reason I keep it to real life though is that I'm completely passionate and enthusiastic about these issues and discussing them at length on this forum tends to make me just see red and it often results in an infraction. We're all learning.

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