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Old 05-31-2011, 12:32 AM   #431 (permalink)
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Are you guys done yet? I can't believe how much time I've wasted reading this crap.
Then GTFO that's the whole purpose of this forum's existence
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Old 05-31-2011, 12:52 AM   #432 (permalink)
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You walk a fine line with the argument of artistic expression when your core demographic is synonymous with that of Hot Topic.
That being said, I don't think what OFWGKTA or Tyler, the Creator are doing is honestly that new or fresh, it's just the new thing in the spotlight.
I like the music, but all of Tegan and Sara's arguments were legitimate IMHO.
To be honest this whole situation reminds me of a few lines that Em said years ago and all the censorship bull**** he had to go through. Idk why you are okay with forgetting about the past.


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Personally I wouldnt be offended if a rapper rapped about killing crackers. Maybe its because I don't consider my race a huge part of my identity? I mean, my whiteness doesn't dictate any part of my personality.

I don't know but I feel I could take the heat without getting offended, fully knowledgable that its a work of fiction. Obviously not everyone feels the same.
You know why? it's called white privilege.

Being black isn't a huge part of my individual identity but it's constantly thrown in my face all of the time because humans as a whole are superficial. If I walk into a store, I get stared at like I'm going to steal something. When you have to deal with racism on a daily basis then you will think differently about it.
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Old 05-31-2011, 12:58 AM   #433 (permalink)
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You know why? it's called white privilege.

Being black isn't a huge part of my individual identity but it's constantly thrown in my face all of the time because humans as a whole are superficial. If I walk into a store, I get stared at like I'm going to steal something. When you have to deal with racism on a daily basis then you will think differently about it.
I don't know. I get the whole "Oh my god, are you going to steal something?" eye, too.

Depends on what you look like AND where you live, I say.
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I don't know. I get the whole "Oh my god, are you going to steal something?" eye, too.

Depends on what you look like AND where you live, I say.
I guess but that's only a small part of the racism I deal with. It's not like you get called cracker to your face daily do you?
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I have more respect for the person who cops criticism and prejudice on the nose, and is really humble about it and just doesn't let it bother them than the person who kicks up a huge fuss. I think it's a great credit to your character if you can just brush aside all the prejudice without making a huge fuss about it, because at the end of the day there are always going to be judgemental dickheads out there who want to have a go.
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Old 05-31-2011, 01:25 AM   #436 (permalink)
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my god the last two pages of this thread are ****ing RETARDED.

i find it completely stupefying that people can't separate satire from actual serious intent. i know that not everyone has the time or interest to listen through all of OF's work, but if y'all did, you'd find that a large part of their stuff is tongue-in-cheek or satirical.

if anything i'm glad these guys are around to make fun of alot of the stereotypical homophobia and misogyny that's rooted in hip-hop.

i'm not even saying that T&S shouldn't talk about the issue with lyrics that offend a certain group, if anything these are issues that are deep seated in the hip hop community and definitely need to be addressed, but just going after this group is asinine, especially considering the real misogynistic and homophobic performers in not just hip-hop but also other forms of music like rock or metal.

honestly the real issue with the "call for change" blogpost is that someone really DOESN'T GET A JOKE.

for example, a song like "Bitch Suck Dick" has lyrics that could be viewed as misogynistic, but in the context of the song, which also has the lyric
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does it even sound like something that should be taken seriously?

here's the thing, people may be attacking OF for homophobic/misogynistic lyrics, but there's also lyrics that can be seen as offensive to many different types of people, for ex, Tyler rapping about how his clothes are cotton like
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you can take that sort of offensiveness to the bank.

not only that but you could also find lyrics that contradict many of the so called homophobic or misogynistic verses, such as Tyler rhyming that he's going to wear a wedding dress or get raped by R. Kelly, or even how he cuts himself while ragging on emo kids.

like Tuna said before, if you're the type of person who would take this kind of stuff as some call to arms to start seriously hurting gays and women, there was something mentally f*cked up with you in the first place. it's all about CONTEXT. it's the same thing that makes sarcasm work, it's the same thing that can make a joke about dead babies or the holocaust funny to some people and not others. i get if someone doesn't find them funny, i'm not angry if they don't find it funny, but what irks me is people taking it more seriously than intended and acting like things like that were never joked about or uttered before that point.

you can talk about being politically correct all you want, but if people start censoring everything that's the least bit offensive out there, how the hell could we progress as a society? if you had to block things that would be seen as offending a group of people, wouldn't that mean banning music from oppressed groups against their oppressors? if you ask me, i'll take some Klan member down south singing about lynching n*ggers and killing sp*cs (i'm Hispanic, btw) if that means i have the freedom to express myself in the fullest regard. yes, that kind of messed up stuff is out there, but no one's making me listen to it.
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isn't this one of the main reasons for this entire site?

what's next? a thread made specifically to banter about music?

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I guess but that's only a small part of the racism I deal with. It's not like you get called cracker to your face daily do you?
Happened quite a bit in school, yeah.
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i'm not even saying that T&S shouldn't talk about the issue with lyrics that offend a certain group, if anything these are issues that are deep seated in the hip hop community and definitely need to be addressed, but just going after this group is asinine, especially considering the real misogynistic and homophobic performers in not just hip-hop but also other forms of music like rock or metal.

honestly the real issue with the "call for change" blogpost is that someone really DOESN'T GET A JOKE.

I felt the need to quote and bold this because this sums up the whole issue with them only attacking one group instead of doing it on a higher level to the point where they address it in all genres of music.

If you want a so called call for change, that change isn't going to happen by going after one group that's only a small piece of a larger puzzle.

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Happened quite a bit in school, yeah.
Sorry to hear that and yeah I know racism happens to all races but I'm glad you don't have to deal with it anymore.

I try not to let it bother me and just chalk it up to them being ignorant asses. I also try to show them that saying that word to me doesn't have any effect on me so they can say whatever they want. I'm not going to get riled up and react like they want me to.
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See here's my problem with this type of argument, it's like what they are saying is invalid because they aren't attacking every single group or person spewing anti-gay stuff?? Cmon man, if they posted a bunch of stuff opposing every group that is against gays, then the same people calling for that (you) would be mocking them for going out of there way to oppose all of these groups.
Okay. My point is that their criticisms should be directed at the hip hop genre, not one particular artist who isn't even homophobic.




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Yes we cna both agree, and I don't agree if T&S think they are dead serious. But I'm giving the hypothetic of a white guy making anti-black music as a 'character' and being insincere. I don't understand why it's totally ok to say it against gays or women but if someone attacked blacks, even sarcastically through lyrics, it'd still be a huge outrage don't ya think?

Well yeah. So would any ethnicity making fun of any other, I just don't see what this has to do with odd future. Odd Future isn't homophobic and your trying to make an analogy with a group that is racist.

You already have seen white artists like kreayshawn and her click use the n-word jokingly, and so far it hasn't been an issue, mostly because her demographic (similiar to tylers that is) gets the context, and understands it's not offensive.
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You already have seen white artists like kreayshawn and her click use the n-word jokingly, and so far it hasn't been an issue, mostly because her demographic (similiar to tylers that is) gets the context, and understands it's not offensive.
speaking of kreayshawn do you happen to have her mixtape? if so, shoot me a PM.
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