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But it was never specifically marketed for a mainstream market. I take it we're talking mostly about Tyler here, so let's just focus on his case.

The millions of views were earned. Yonkers was a well made video that gained notoriety because of its immediacy and uniqueness in the Youtube sphere. It was pretty left field if you ask me, but the fact that it was so controversial and challenging garnered the attention, not the fact that he marketed it to a big demographic (well, I guess angst comes in a lot of forms).

MTV was a dream for Tyler, and, truth be told, I have no idea how he got there. Maybe the indie demand was so huge they decided to go with it. That's where you see him, is the indie community of MTV (which has kinda turned its back on him). Tyler, though, is a complicated boy; he yearns for mainstream acceptance but shoves it away with his attitude. I mean, that was a large theme in Goblin itself.

I'd say they deal with a lot of the themes in a cartoonish manner, so it could be seen as childish, but while it's tongue in cheek, it's still extremely menacing and hardly agreeable. There's hardly a time where rape and the humorous portrayal of it is accepted, and Tyler and Odd Future's case isn't too special.

Young teens latch onto a lot of things out of rebellion and angst, but they'll turn their back on it. They've latched onto Punk Rock, does that make the genre of any less merit? Some teens turn to Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, (metal in general really) Elliott Smith, or Nirvana. Do we knock them?

Janszoon, you're my subject of hatred now. c; I'm not very familiar with Marilyn Manson though, does he name drop serial killers (besides Charles Manson)? We could being up Sufjan Stevens and Elliott Smith on that charge as well.

Heh. Hopefully that's a place of honor.

Well every member of his band was named after one (combined with a model) so I'd say yes.

He's this generation's Kurt Cobain (who I think he mentions a few times, maybe an idol of his). Mainly average, few great tunes... OVER RATED.

But it is true that we shouldn't only talk about Tyler, there are much worse members in the collective.

Also, I have had a glass of wine too many. I shall leave you with this...



I dare you to get through this.

Cocaine was straight, i heard another song that was really smooth and bumpin, really understated. I'm gonna get the album oneathesedays.

Kurt Cobain gets dropped by plenty of people, Lil Wayne is probably a bigger fan than Tyler (no joke). Besides that, though, Tyler has a much different ethos than Cobain, at least as a songwriter.

I'll grant you your right to not appreciate his music. Personally, i think he's got a lot of cleverness, creativity, and a piss off attitude that allows him to vent those qualities openly and extremely candidly (even when it makes you cringe, Lil B style).

The other members aren't worse, to me, just much different. That's one thing to love about the group to me. But it's all subjective.

tyler tweeted that something was getting in the way of things getting back to normal, and that he's angry and excited

I like it too. Where are all the people that were spewing this "odd future is anti-feminism" nonsense earlier in the thread?
Yeah man, Cobain admittedly loved writing pop songs.
yup. I don't agree with them being mainstream, they are certainly very popular. I think this is because of tyler ingenuity. The fonts and graphics he chooses to promote his music are really effective. I don't think his flow is nearly as good as most rappers mentioned in the same breath, but his monotone definitively has character.

I think the skateboard culture has embraced them specifically. Surell, haven't you been wondering why lil wayne has been getting on a skateboard so much lately?

It's hard for me to have a stance on Odd Future, I disagree with everyone who praises them highly and those who dislike them strongly.

OF is kind of like a mainstream/underground hybrid. I can't really think of anyone else that's like them. Tyler talked about changing the topics that he raps about, so we could see him getting away from the less-accessible topics like rape and evolving into something that fits in more with the mainstream. A big undertone of Goblin was talking about this transition, or at least it dealt with increased popularity.

Most beatles kids did i'm sure, him and Elliott Smith and so on and so forth. Although i wouldn't say i see it near as much in Cobain as Smith, but that's because i don't listen to Nirvana as much as the latter.

True this. Also, Tyler isn't very consistent. Really, i think a lot of times his flow is somewhat more consistent than his lyrical content.

Wellll, I always thought he was trying to tackle that aspect at least somewhat before Odd Future was blowing up. He at least had the whole Vans/skinny jeans thing down before then.

But yeah, skate kids luuuuvvv OF, and all the punk brats that are associated with them. It's intense, too.

You're weird, love it or hate it dood.