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Atrocious 01-16-2012 04:39 PM
Industrial/Electro Metal
 
There is a wide variety of badassness in Industrial. Share some of your favorites...I'll start with two of mine: Technikult and Eisenfunk

Unrelenting 01-23-2012 08:04 PM

Psyclon Nine - Bloodwork - YouTube

Atrocious 01-23-2012 09:54 PM
Psyclon is badass-Better Than Suicide is my favorite track. Got the discography off piratebay.org (they don't sell much EDM of any kind in stores where I live)

Unrelenting 01-23-2012 10:21 PM
Originally I hated Crwn Thy frnictr, the more I listened to the album the more it grew on me. We The Fallen is my favorite record though. Apparently we'll be seeing some new material this year

Atrocious 01-23-2012 10:40 PM
That'd be pretty cool, I'm always down for something fresh. I must admit though I ran into Psyclon Nine via youtube just a couple years back. While watching an Aesthetic Perfection video I believe....which I shal share

Unrelenting 01-25-2012 08:30 PM
Love me some Aesthetic Perfection. Check out Fractured


Fractured - Save me (Full Version) - YouTube


Fracture - Straight Jacket Fashion - YouTube

TockTockTock 01-25-2012 09:51 PM
Wait... is this thread about industrial metal or just industrial? (A bit confused... sorry)

Unrelenting 01-26-2012 12:30 PM
Seems like a bit of both. I would have recommended Godflesh or Ministry, but they're both fairly obvious choices.

Janszoon 01-26-2012 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1146399)
Wait... is this thread about industrial metal or just industrial? (A bit confused... sorry)
Industrial metal I guess. I haven't seen anyone post any actual industrial in it thus far.

Unrelenting 01-26-2012 12:49 PM
Industrial is kind of a strange genre.It's been turned into an umbrella term with genres that aren't really industrial: like EBM, and acts like Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails. Any group that uses a laptop with fat saw synthesizers and computerized drums can be called industrial nowadays. A friend of mine said Tom Waits is closer to industrial than a lot of groups that get called it now.

Janszoon 01-26-2012 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Unrelenting (Post 1146642)
Industrial is kind of a strange genre.It's been turned into an umbrella term with genres that aren't really industrial: like EBM, and acts like Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails. Any group that uses a laptop with fat saw synthesizers and computerized drums can be called industrial nowadays. A friend of mine said Tom Waits is closer to industrial than a lot of groups that get called it now.
I would say your friend is right. It's one of the most mis-used genre names out there. The weirdest thing is that most of the characteristics that people mistakenly associate with industrial (like the ones you described above) have nothing to do with what true industrial sounds like.

Unrelenting 01-26-2012 01:11 PM
I liken it to the genre electronica. It's used to describe a wide variety of things now, far removed from what it started off as

Janszoon 01-26-2012 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Unrelenting (Post 1146659)
I liken it to the genre electronica. It's used to describe a wide variety of things now, far removed from what it started off as
I wouldn't say electronica is very far removed from what it started off as, it's always been an extremely broad term for a wide array of electronic music.

Unrelenting 01-26-2012 01:32 PM
Well, yeah. Looking at that post I see I was a little unclear I suppose. Industrial now is used as a wide tag now the same way that electronica is. Why it's come to that, I don't know.

Edit: Out of curiousity, what groups do you consider "true industrial"? Aside from Throbbing Gristle, I've seen you champion them a few times in my days as a lurker on this site

Janszoon 01-26-2012 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Unrelenting (Post 1146668)
Well, yeah. Looking at that post I see I was a little unclear I suppose. Industrial now is used as a wide tag now the same way that electronica is. Why it's come to that, I don't know.
It's truly bizarre. I blame the 90s.

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Originally Posted by Unrelenting (Post 1146668)
Edit: Out of curiousity, what groups do you consider "true industrial"? Aside from Throbbing Gristle, I've seen you champion them a few times in my days as a lurker on this site
Cabaret Voltaire, Test Department, Einsturzende Neubauten, some of Coil's output, certain Swans tracks, certain JG Thirlwell tracks, early Pigface, and for a more recent example maybe Flux Information Sciences. I think one of the tricky things about industrial musicians is that they're experimentalists so they seldom stick to a particular style that could reasonably be described as industrial.

Atrocious 01-26-2012 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Unrelenting (Post 1146378)
That's pretty badass

TockTockTock 01-26-2012 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1146673)
Cabaret Voltaire, Test Department, Einsturzende Neubauten, some of Coil's output, certain Swans tracks, certain JG Thirlwell tracks, early Pigface, and for a more recent example maybe Flux Information Sciences.
I would be more inclined to say that they're industrial rock and not really industrial, but maybe I'm just being a genre nazi. Great band, though. Despite all of the comparisons to Swans' early work. I still think their music is very unique.

Honestly, I feel the best definition for industrial (to me) would be "abrasive free-form electronic music." I think it's a fairly reasonable definition for a genre that's already difficult to define (even if some industrial bands aren't 100% electronic). I also remember hearing somewhere that industrial music is basically "just Stockhausen doing punk rock." Of course, this isn't really true... but I just thought it was a bit funny, haha.

Janszoon 01-26-2012 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1146756)
I would be more inclined to say that they're industrial rock and not really industrial, but maybe I'm just being a genre nazi. Great band, though. Despite all of the comparisons to Swans' early work. I still think their music is very unique.
I guess I could sort of see that, except "industrial rock" was actually the tag given to bands like Skinny Puppy back in the day and I'd say Flux Information Sciences sound a lot more like Einsturzende Neubauten or Test Dept. than like a band like Skinny Puppy.

As far as the Swans comparison goes, I can't say I really hear it.

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat (Post 1146756)
Honestly, I feel the best definition for industrial (to me) would be "abrasive free-form electronic music." I think it's a fairly reasonable definition for a genre that's fairly difficult to define (even if some industrial bands aren't 100% electronic). I remember hearing somewhere that industrial music is basically just Stockhausen doing punk rock. Of course, this isn't really true... I just thought it was a bit funny, haha.
"Stockhausen doing punk rock" is a pretty good way of putting it. :laughing: I was thinking "Krautrock with a punk aesthetic" might be another good one. Not sure I totally agree with "abrasive free-form electronic music" as a definition though. Abrasive and free-form, yes, but some of the key bands weren't particularly electronic.

Unrelenting 01-26-2012 05:19 PM
Edited

Janszoon 01-26-2012 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Unrelenting (Post 1146773)
Industrial rock works in my eyes. Sure it sounds different than say Skinny Puppy, but just like how Nickelback doesn't really sound like Led Zepplin and they're both considered rock n roll.
Wait... what? I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. I was responding to Jack Pat's comment about Flux Information Sciences.

Unrelenting 01-26-2012 05:31 PM
Serves me right for browsing half asleep

Above 01-27-2012 04:53 AM
I used to work for an Industrial music magazine. Real industrial is truly dead now.

That said, Chemlab, Skinny Puppy and 16 Volt will always be great to me. Also, I think you can call "Industrial Rock" music just Industrial without mislabeling it, as it has the fucking name in it.

Janszoon 01-27-2012 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Above (Post 1146939)
I used to work for an Industrial music magazine. Real industrial is truly dead now.
Are you saying you killed it by working at the magazine? :laughing:

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Originally Posted by Above (Post 1146939)
That said, Chemlab, Skinny Puppy and 16 Volt will always be great to me. Also, I think you can call "Industrial Rock" music just Industrial without mislabeling it, as it has the fucking name in it.
To be honest, I like that stuff more than true industrial and always have. But I don't buy the argument about naming the style. It would be inaccurate to call rap metal simply "rap" because, well, rap and rap metal are two very different things, even though one was an influence on the other. Another example is baroque pop. Nobody calls the Beatles "baroque music". Why? Because they didn't play the same type of music as Bach even though they were certainly influenced by that style. Same with industrial rock. As I said before though, the really puzzling thing is how, starting in the 90s, "industrial" came to be used to describe so many bands that don't even seem particularly influenced by actual industrial music.

Above 01-27-2012 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1146953)
Are you saying you killed it by working at the magazine? :laughing:


To be honest, I like that stuff more than true industrial and always have. But I don't buy the argument about naming the style. It would be inaccurate to call rap metal simply "rap" because, well, rap and rap metal are two very different things, even though one was an influence on the other. Another example is baroque pop. Nobody calls the Beatles "baroque music". Why? Because they didn't play the same type of music as Bach even though they were certainly influenced by that style. Same with industrial rock. As I said before though, the really puzzling thing is how, starting in the 90s, "industrial" came to be used to describe so many bands that don't even seem particularly influenced by actual industrial music.
1) Well, they fired me so probably, haha.

2) I think Industrial and Industrial Rock are too similar to be separate genres, to be honest.

Janszoon 01-27-2012 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Above (Post 1146956)
2) I think Industrial and Industrial Rock are too similar to be separate genres, to be honest.
Industrial


Industrial Rock


What is so similar about them?

Rubato 01-27-2012 07:47 AM
Would the Quake II soundtrack be considered industrial metal?

Atrocious 01-27-2012 08:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Above (Post 1146939)
I used to work for an Industrial music magazine. Real industrial is truly dead now.

That said, Chemlab, Skinny Puppy and 16 Volt will always be great to me. Also, I think you can call "Industrial Rock" music just Industrial without mislabeling it, as it has the fucking name in it.
Skinny Puppy kicks ass

Above 01-28-2012 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1146958)
What is so similar about them?
Firstly, good choice of songs. I adore both of them. Secondly, I think they're just different waves. The scene has changed over time. East Side Militia was a 1995-ish release, man.

Atrocious 01-29-2012 09:23 AM
Do we really need to debateover how to define a genre? Why can't we just enjoy the music?

Unrelenting 01-29-2012 06:21 PM
To be fair for those arguing genres, he also said electro metal.

In which case Atrocious I think you'll like this


Herrschaft - Human Soul - YouTube

Janszoon 01-29-2012 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Atrocious (Post 1147651)
Do we really need to debateover how to define a genre? Why can't we just enjoy the music?
What, no bantering?

Unrelenting 01-29-2012 06:38 PM
Another music banter is about banter comment proceeds

Above 01-29-2012 06:52 PM
I'll banter yer mum in a minute.

Unrelenting 01-29-2012 07:09 PM
She could use some polite discourse

Atrocious 01-30-2012 10:20 AM
Point made, banter ye shall

Mark Will 02-01-2012 05:44 AM
I enjoy Psyclon Nine and Combichrist every now and them!

Atrocious 02-01-2012 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Will (Post 1148632)
I enjoy Psyclon Nine and Combichrist every now and them!
Combichrist is bad ****, so is Panzer AG.

jvvc 07-07-2012 09:00 AM
cool post

jackhammer 07-10-2012 05:24 PM
G.G.F.H need more mentions:

A good starting point is The Very Beast Of Vol 1.

Also if we are talking Industrial Metal (as the difference between that genre and early Industrial has been explained well) the vocalist Chris Connelly has been involved in some awesome projects and what's makes his work a little different is that he is a crafted Singer/Songwriter to begin with and doesn't even sound like the archetypal Metal singer and a couple of members of Killing Joke were involved in this:

Another side project:

miettesbrainchild 11-22-2012 04:03 PM
Kat5can
 
While we're in the industrial/metal area - can't be leaving out some industrial/punk - possibly the best one out there (though I'm happy to stand corrected....)


Katscan - Flowest Cunning Demonator 2007 (Industrial Music) - YouTube


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