Smoking in Bars/Public Places? Yea or Nay? (dance, effects)

cardboard adolescent · 01-18-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by babakeatwix

I agree with you Fal. I believe that people shouldn't ignorantly be able to give young children the chance to second hand smoke.

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

Hey guys! Let's go to the bar tonight, get close to a guy smoking a cigar, and second hand smoke!
Cool!

Seriously, I hope you were joking.

babakeatwix · 01-18-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

Hey guys! Let's go to the bar tonight, get close to a guy smoking a cigar, and second hand smoke!
Cool!

Seriously, I hope you were joking.

Do you not know what second hand smoking is? It is when you recieve the same affects of smoking but they are not as great. When you second hand smoke you still are at risk of getting lung cancer.

cardboard adolescent · 01-18-2006, 04:45 PM

If there's so many people desperate for "smoke-free places," then they can go ahead and start them. Then all the non-smokers can have their smoke-free bars and sit around and talk about how great it is that their lungs aren't being corroded by second-hand smoke.

That way, everyone can continue to enjoy their personal liberties without the government stepping in and setting regulations on what we can or cannot do.

Barnard17 · 01-18-2006, 04:49 PM

It would not be evonomically feasible, because the concentration of people specifically going there would not be enough to maintain the shop. If the Government steps in and says no smoking in pubs, cafes, restaurants it means that the actual loss of custom is minimal while the risk of passive smoking is greatly reduced. People are still free to step outside for one.

cardboard adolescent · 01-18-2006, 04:53 PM

If there's such a minority of people who would actively search out another place to avoid smoke, then why is it even necessary to punish smokers by enforcing regulations? It's this kind of mentality that just leads to more and more constricting government control.

It's not even the fact that you have to step outside to smoke that bothers me, it's just the mentality behind the whole thing, where you're punishing a certain group of people for doing something that makes YOU uncomfortable, when you should be the one responsible for coping.

half_baked87 · 01-18-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

If there's such a minority of people who would actively search out another place to avoid smoke, then why is it even necessary to punish smokers by enforcing regulations? It's this kind of mentality that just leads to more and more constricting government control.

It's not even the fact that you have to step outside to smoke that bothers me, it's just the mentality behind the whole thing, where you're punishing a certain group of people for doing something that makes YOU uncomfortable, when you should be the one responsible for coping.

i totally agree. but it's a rarity to see someone take responsiblity for themselves instead of trying to change their circumstances so they don't have to. everyone's always pointing the finger, but they don't excercise their right to do something about it for themselves.

Barnard17 · 01-18-2006, 04:58 PM

If it were punishment, then it would be more than just a ban on smoking in public. It's not an issue of comfort, solely, it's also an issue of health. It is the duty of the government to protect the health of it's citizens, while still allowing them to kill themselves.

For the record, I am not a non-smoker - people smoking around me causes me no discomfort (though I'm aware that it is still damaging my health).

Accipiter · 01-19-2006, 08:45 AM

I don't smoke and I absolutely hate it, but if other people smoke, well, they smoke. That's their problem and who are we to tell them where they can and can't? It's common sense to not smoke in a hospital and such, but a bar? What's a cig going to do while most people are drunk off their asses anyway.

Barnard17 · 01-18-2006, 04:59 PM

People don't just smoke in bars.

half_baked87 · 01-18-2006, 05:03 PM

true, my only real beef is here is bars and restaurants. and if parents bring their kids into the theoretical smoking section, thats their mistake.

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01-18-2006, 04:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 328	It would not be evonomically feasible, because the concentration of people specifically going there would not be enough to maintain the shop. If the Government steps in and says no smoking in pubs, cafes, restaurants it means that the actual loss of custom is minimal while the risk of passive smoking is greatly reduced. People are still free to step outside for one. __________________ Vita brevis, Occasio praeceps

01-18-2006, 04:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 328	If it were punishment, then it would be more than just a ban on smoking in public. It's not an issue of comfort, solely, it's also an issue of health. It is the duty of the government to protect the health of it's citizens, while still allowing them to kill themselves. For the record, I am not a non-smoker - people smoking around me causes me no discomfort (though I'm aware that it is still damaging my health). __________________ Vita brevis, Occasio praeceps

01-19-2006, 08:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
Accipiter Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: MN Posts: 85	I don't smoke and I absolutely hate it, but if other people smoke, well, they smoke. That's their problem and who are we to tell them where they can and can't? It's common sense to not smoke in a hospital and such, but a bar? What's a cig going to do while most people are drunk off their asses anyway. __________________ And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." This. Is. Necessary. This. Is. Necessary. Life. Feeds on life. Feeds on life. Feeds on life. Feeds on This. Is. Necessary.

01-18-2006, 04:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Barnard17 My home? Discabled, Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 328	People don't just smoke in bars. __________________ Vita brevis, Occasio praeceps

01-18-2006, 04:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,511	If there's so many people desperate for "smoke-free places," then they can go ahead and start them. Then all the non-smokers can have their smoke-free bars and sit around and talk about how great it is that their lungs aren't being corroded by second-hand smoke. That way, everyone can continue to enjoy their personal liberties without the government stepping in and setting regulations on what we can or cannot do.

01-18-2006, 04:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,511	If there's such a minority of people who would actively search out another place to avoid smoke, then why is it even necessary to punish smokers by enforcing regulations? It's this kind of mentality that just leads to more and more constricting government control. It's not even the fact that you have to step outside to smoke that bothers me, it's just the mentality behind the whole thing, where you're punishing a certain group of people for doing something that makes YOU uncomfortable, when you should be the one responsible for coping.

01-18-2006, 05:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
half_baked87 sammichestime Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 376	true, my only real beef is here is bars and restaurants. and if parents bring their kids into the theoretical smoking section, thats their mistake.