I understand what he is saying, but it doesn't make any sense. Whether they are allowed to get married or not, if they love each other, they will show affection towards one another. How does the fact that they are married, change whether or not they show affection towards one another. They obviously love each other if they want to get married. The fact that they arent allowed this privlage, isn't going to discourage them from loving each other. That is ludacris. The concept of homosexuality, as you put it, will not go away because they are not allowed to be married.

And, had I been able to vote, I dont think that I would have. Neither of them are good canidates. Through Bush's actions as the President, and through Kerry's actions on the Senate, neither of them deserve to run the country. But, like most elections, it was biased according to political party. Republicans, for the most part, vote for the republican candidate, and the democrats, for the most part, vote for the democratic candidate.

that last statement was totally off the wall. why do you think there are political parties? because thats the way we vote.

and i know they concept of homosexuality wont go away because they are not allowed to be married. and i dont particularly care all that much, people should be able to make their own decisions based on their sexuality, and the government should have nothing to do with it.

Abstaining from the vote is a powerful political tool. If you do not vote, then one of the parties will be seeking your vote and change their policies to appeal to you. Furthermore, I'd rather not have a hand in voting in a moron.

Also, he's speaking against the two party system: "first past the post" means that you often end up with only two main political parties, and again neither of which have particularly apealing policies but people vote for them because it's a name they like to be associated with. Destroying partisanry would mean that parties and independents are able to construct their views based on what they want and be voted for on their own merits. For this reason the direct democracy of Switzerland is FAR more representative than the American system. As it stands "representative" democracy ends up being highly corruptible and biased.

yeah..thats our problem.

Well, what you are saying is that you would vote for a person simply because they have labeled themselves DEMOCRAT. That is pretty stupid, vote for someone based on their stance on issues that affect and concern you. Not their party association. That is probably the reason that kids who haven't had a chance to develop their arguments, aren't allowed to vote in the first place! Because if they did, we would have kids who vote based on political affiliation, and not based off the candidates stances on pressing issues.

We don`t have parties governing Guernsey it`s all independents.

Sounds a good idea in theory but the truth is it takes AGES for anyone to agree on anything & debates just drag on & on & on.

They`ve been discussing plans to build a casino , they`ve been doing that at least 20 years & are still no closer to making a decision. I imagine in a bigger country it would be much much worse.

i never said that i would vote for someone because they are a democrat. the reason i would vote kerry is because his views have more in common with mine. the label "democrat" has nothing to do with it. although, democrats usually do seem to have views that are more parallel to mine. as i stated earlier, i dont think either of them were very good candidates, but the a vote for the candidate who i would have chosen (ralph nader) would have been like a vote for bush. this is because bush had the upper hand in the last election so if you didnt vote against him....you were voting for him, even if you didnt physically vote for him.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I truly lol-ed. Not that I agree, but funny all the same.

again, HAHAHAHAHAHA. I also lol-ed. and called my dad in here. and he chuckled. word.

kerry

You DO make a convincing argument.

why have alll of these ancient posts come up?

Because some new member votes on them. That constitutes a post apparently so the threads get bumped. While I'm here, how long til the next election?

2 more years : (

I hope Clinton deosn't run. Liked Clinton, but not his wife.

Bush is a ****tard. And Kerry is a ****in douchebag. You lose either way.

^And trust me.........we did lose......


...two years ago when this thread actually had some relevant meaning. Now we're stuck with Bush for two more years and another few billion dollars...

neither of them are very good, they already had bush as praz, so why go with some one more stupid after 4 years? its a good thing they stuck with him... it will all be over before we know it. and everyone should stop making a big deal about that war.. its not world war III or anything, and plus they have been sending americans over there sense the 80's or longer theres always been wars over aroud those places.. why is this one getting so noticed? cause of the buildings?... anyways Kerry is a nice guy, but a idiot as well.. i can only imagine his reasons for wanting some great power. Bush only got 3 more years so people such as who ever mae this thread should just leave it alone.. after all the voting took place a while ago so why even make a pole about it here?and as for him.. from what me and my boyfriend think.. he has been your best yet. He was into the younger alduts in there point of views, and he did a really good job while he was praz, only problem was he went and cheated on his wife then everyone hated him.. but how does that affect how well he was doing in office? it didn't.. even if she was working there.. doesn't matter. anyways he was a good praz.. i think it would be cool if he ran, or his wife.. either way.

Canadian, you wouldn't understand the extreme stupidity of bush unless you lived here. I don't want to hear you say we're lucky to have him because, we're not.

i think i should run this year, who'd vote for me?? :D

American president?

yes, but i'd have to change my title, president's too formal, maybe 'duke'...im not sure yet...

Sure, you're not a citizen nor were you born here, there's not an election this year, I'm not 18 and you're not even 35 but, you have my vote.

ahh but for some stupid reasons in canada most of our channels our america news channels so we can't help but be on everything... even on the canadian channels if bush disides to go out and speak then it cancels the normal shows and he's there.. its like we know his every move... I could really care less about bush or kerry, i'm not one for all this goverment stuff.

technicallities, politics are corrupt, there's hope :D, plus i think it would stir things up a little....

^ha

And eimp, you're not affected by it so honestly I don't respect a single thing you say.

I never asked you to, nor anyone else. its just how i see things on this side.. so my opinion is clearly going to be my own wether you as a american care or not.

Bush = someone whos bringing us down
Kerry = assuming he even has a ****, hes a guy who runs off with his **** between his legs


Amercia's ****ed

What about me for mod. I'm always on. There's so much spam.(definitely just kidding, I've been here for like 2 months) Seriously why would you bump this?

I was bored, why less

Quite a positive attitude....

Someone should really close this thread...does anyone truly care about it..we just get a bunch of kids being trendy saying Bush is teh Suxzorz
I > Bush

Yeah....not like it really matters any more either, Bush is more than half way through the term.......his last.......for a while anyway..