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View Poll Results: What is your sexual orientation?
I'm a guy who likes girls 104 50.98%
I'm a guy who likes guys 11 5.39%
I'm a girl who likes guys 26 12.75%
I'm a girl who likes girls 4 1.96%
I'm a guy who likes guys and girls 14 6.86%
I'm a girl who likes guys and girls 18 8.82%
I haven't figured out what I like yet... 3 1.47%
I'm asexual 4 1.96%
I'm an ostrich who likes badgers 20 9.80%
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Old 10-17-2010, 09:28 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Forgive me if my response doesn't accurately respond to your objection.

Developing personality is, like growing a pinky toe, something that happens to everyone regardless of what decisions they make in life. Perhaps some people aren't content with the identity that they develop, and perhaps some people are. Does that give enough reason to justify pride in one's identity? .... No, I don't think it does. You can be prideful in having made a decision that was later revealed to be beneficial or satisfactory. Or you can have pride in certain aspects of your identity, aspects that you consciously had to work at. Such as being someone who has resolved to never tell a lie.

But like I said, everyone develops their personality whether they consciously choose to or not. Having pride in making good decisions that lead to what you consider to be a positive identity upon later reflection makes sense. Having pride simply because your identity is dynamic and is an inevitable result of decisions you made that weren't made specifically for the purpose of identity-development, that doesn't seem to make as much sense to me.

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An interesting perspective you have there. But if we're going to take it from that approach, why not go the whole 9 yards?

After all, we didn't choose the way our brain works anymore than we chose the color of our eyes. In a way, what appears to be 'choices' is just a brain's response to a given situation in a certain environment, so if you don't want to give credit to yourself for inherited traits, why stop at the neck? The brain is just as much random genetics as sexuality. Free will is a questionable term at best.

IMO, you're putting too much thought into this. Sure someone may not have achieved something in inheriting this pride. But there's an easy distinguisher between shame and pride. Would you not argue that people can't feel shame about their sexuality? If people can be ashamed they're gay (even if it's not chosen), why can't they have pride?
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Old 10-17-2010, 09:28 PM   #102 (permalink)
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oh like you don't post when fucked up... cunt
I'm fucked up right now. AND STILL WINNAR!!!!!!!

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Old 10-17-2010, 09:30 PM   #103 (permalink)
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If we were to drink together, I think I would glass you at some point in the drinking session, but don't worry I'll take you to a hospital. Then it would be a story that we would laugh about.
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Old 10-17-2010, 10:04 PM   #104 (permalink)
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If we were to drink together, I think I would glass you at some point in the drinking session, but don't worry I'll take you to a hospital. Then it would be a story that we would laugh about.
"glass" me?
Not sure what that means. Does it mean that you would violently assault me?
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"glass" me?
Not sure what that means. Does it mean that you would violently assault me?
And then take you to the hospital.
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And then take you to the hospital.

You're a saint.

Why would you violently assault me?
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Old 10-17-2010, 10:11 PM   #107 (permalink)
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Because I have a feeling that you and I would have an enabler relationship, that brings out the worst in both of us.
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@Tuna and Poppies: Yeah, I did put too much thought into it. I'm totally over it now, lol.

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Old 10-17-2010, 10:18 PM   #109 (permalink)
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Because I have a feeling that you and I would have an enabler relationship, that brings out the worst in both of us.
I wouldn't say that's that case. Well, I can only speak for myself... but generally, when I go out/hang out/be social (which isn't often now days) no one ends up violently assaulting anyone. I'm a timid, agreeable guy who prefers to hang in the shadows. I mean.. come on dude, I've never been arrested or gotten so much as a speeding ticket in my entire life, and I'm 29.

I'm an introvert. And even at the bars, I've been KNOWN as the guy who you could never tell was drunk.

I think you're perceiving me differently than I actually am. Which is fine in all scenarios except those that involve me being assaulted. I have a natural objection to that.
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Well then perhaps I have misjudged you.
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