PC or Mac?

**Janszoon** · 04-28-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

What are your guys' thoughts on the Microsoft store?

CanwllCorfe · 04-28-2012, 03:59 PM

It's so blatantly obvious that they got a lot of their cues from the Apple store, but I can't really blame them though. It'd be a pretty tough feat to out-design a company that's known for its design.

Astronomer · 04-29-2012, 12:10 AM

I used to have one of the first gen Macbooks and it was awesome. It unfortunately got old and died, and now I have a PC. I hate not having all the Apple programs that I used to use for recording music (such as Garageband). I can see pros and cons to both but I still really miss my Mac... it's hard for me to see why people are so pro-PC!

CanwllCorfe · 04-29-2012, 01:02 AM

Usually for reasons like being able to build your own for really cheap. I don't see much value in that personally, but to each their own.

On an unrelated note, I hate that when I hear about Apple's aesthetic, people who don't know any better get it completely wrong and say they add fluff or put tons of effort into making their stuff look pretty. It's the opposite. The reason their products look the way they do is because they don't add any superfluous adornments or fluff. Look at the first generation iPhone compared to those that were out at the time. Most all of them had full keyboards and up, down, left, right, and select controls, as well as a screen (obviously). The iPhone comes along and just has a big screen and a button. Not more, but less. The bare essentials. Form always follows function. It's one of the basest principles of design. If they didn't follow that, their products wouldn't look the way they do.

Freebase Dali · 04-29-2012, 02:39 AM

It has probably been said plenty times before, but as a person who has used both systems (predominately PC, but used a Mac and learned a lot about it in a Mac class in college), the difference and intent behind both systems is obvious.

Mac is a user-friendly system. It's practically perfect right out of the box, requiring little user configuration, and it will run the programs designed for it flawlessly. It is no surprise that there is a user-base that supports that quality. And that user-base is ok with paying a little more and not having the customization options a PC might have, because they don't find a need for them. That is exactly why Mac is viable on the market.

PC is not so user-friendly. At first, it might be, but eventually, all PCs need far more maintenance than a Mac, and have more issues that consumer-level users may not be capable of handling. It may not run all the programs designed for it flawlessly, but it will definitely provide more options for what you can run on it. More importantly, it costs less and can be upgraded to a very high degree. The Windows operating system also allows for a very high degree of control. It appeals to those who want a system they can alter and make work to their own specifications, rather than specifications that are predetermined.

So, the difference is very much need and intent. Obviously, popularity of one system over the other might lead the wrong kinds of users to the wrong kind of system, and there will inevitably be disappointment. Someone who just wants their system to work for their needs and is not concerned about tweaking that system or upgrading it should obviously go for the system that provides just their needs and nothing more.
And, alternately, someone who wants to be able to fit their system to a larger horizon of possible needs as they arise, and has the knowledge to do so, should choose the system that allows it.
Both systems might be on equal footing in the center of the sphere of needs, but it's the peripheral benefits that really separate one from the other, and separate the reason an informed party chooses one over the other as per their particular intent with that system.

**Janszoon** · 04-29-2012, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

It has probably been said plenty times before, but as a person who has used both systems (predominately PC, but used a Mac and learned a lot about it in a Mac class in college), the difference and intent behind both systems is obvious.

Mac is a user-friendly system. It's practically perfect right out of the box, requiring little user configuration, and it will run the programs designed for it flawlessly. It is no surprise that there is a user-base that supports that quality. And that user-base is ok with paying a little more and not having the customization options a PC might have, because they don't find a need for them. That is exactly why Mac is viable on the market.

PC is not so user-friendly. At first, it might be, but eventually, all PCs need far more maintenance than a Mac, and have more issues that consumer-level users may not be capable of handling. It may not run all the programs designed for it flawlessly, but it will definitely provide more options for what you can run on it. More importantly, it costs less and can be upgraded to a very high degree. The Windows operating system also allows for a very high degree of control. It appeals to those who want a system they can alter and make work to their own specifications, rather than specifications that are predetermined.

So, the difference is very much need and intent. Obviously, popularity of one system over the other might lead the wrong kinds of users to the wrong kind of system, and there will inevitably be disappointment. Someone who just wants their system to work for their needs and is not concerned about tweaking that system or upgrading it should obviously go for the system that provides just their needs and nothing more.
And, alternately, someone who wants to be able to fit their system to a larger horizon of possible needs as they arise, and has the knowledge to do so, should choose the system that allows it.
Both systems might be on equal footing in the center of the sphere of needs, but it's the peripheral benefits that really separate one from the other, and separate the reason an informed party chooses one over the other as per their particular intent with that system.

CanwllCorfe · 04-29-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I second those clapping hands.

Freedo · 05-05-2012, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

It has probably been said plenty times before, but as a person who has used both systems (predominately PC, but used a Mac and learned a lot about it in a Mac class in college), the difference and intent behind both systems is obvious.

Mac is a user-friendly system. It's practically perfect right out of the box, requiring little user configuration, and it will run the programs designed for it flawlessly. It is no surprise that there is a user-base that supports that quality. And that user-base is ok with paying a little more and not having the customization options a PC might have, because they don't find a need for them. That is exactly why Mac is viable on the market.

PC is not so user-friendly. At first, it might be, but eventually, all PCs need far more maintenance than a Mac, and have more issues that consumer-level users may not be capable of handling. It may not run all the programs designed for it flawlessly, but it will definitely provide more options for what you can run on it. More importantly, it costs less and can be upgraded to a very high degree. The Windows operating system also allows for a very high degree of control. It appeals to those who want a system they can alter and make work to their own specifications, rather than specifications that are predetermined.

So, the difference is very much need and intent. Obviously, popularity of one system over the other might lead the wrong kinds of users to the wrong kind of system, and there will inevitably be disappointment. Someone who just wants their system to work for their needs and is not concerned about tweaking that system or upgrading it should obviously go for the system that provides just their needs and nothing more.
And, alternately, someone who wants to be able to fit their system to a larger horizon of possible needs as they arise, and has the knowledge to do so, should choose the system that allows it.
Both systems might be on equal footing in the center of the sphere of needs, but it's the peripheral benefits that really separate one from the other, and separate the reason an informed party chooses one over the other as per their particular intent with that system.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

I second those clapping hands.

I third those clapping hands. I was about to say the same thing, but not in such detail. I prefer PC, just because of its options. Sure macs are better in most ways, but they are limiting, and with a PC you have a much wider variety of things you can do.
I have an iPod though and I love it.

blastingas10 · 05-05-2012, 11:42 AM

I'm surprised that most stuff I have read have been negative comments about macs. I don't have much experience with them but I like macs. I like apple mainly because of iPods and iPhones. I think they're great products.

I've really been wanting to get a MacBook, but the main reason I want one is because of GarageBand. I have the GarageBand app on my phone and I really like it, I know how to use it. That's another reason why I want GarageBand on a MacBook is because I'm already familiar with the program. It can be pretty confusing when you're new to a program.

So, my question is, would I be just as well off with a laptop other than a Mac? I know it would save me money. it doesn't make much sense to pay 1000 dollars for GarageBand.

Freebase Dali · 05-05-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I'm surprised that most stuff I have read have been negative comments about macs. I don't have much experience with them but I like macs. I like apple mainly because of iPods and iPhones. I think they're great products.

I've really been wanting to get a MacBook, but the main reason I want one is because of GarageBand. I have the GarageBand app on my phone and I really like it, I know how to use it. That's another reason why I want GarageBand on a MacBook is because I'm already familiar with the program. It can be pretty confusing when you're new to a program.

So, my question is, would I be just as well off with a laptop other than a Mac? I know it would save me money. it doesn't make much sense to pay 1000 dollars for GarageBand.

Who knows, you might end up really liking the Macbook long-term. If you don't have any PC-specific software that you absolutely can't live without, then buying a Mac isn't really a loss. You can still surf the web, create documents, etc, and a Mac isn't going to crap out on you for a long time.
On the other hand, if you'd rather stick with PC and save money, your best option would be to find a Garageband equivalent, which might not be so difficult to learn.
I hear that Acoustica Mixcraft is pretty similar. (generally most entry-level DAWs are)

I guess it's just about what side of the coin you're more comfortable with.

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04-28-2012, 03:59 PM	#382 (permalink)
CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	It's so blatantly obvious that they got a lot of their cues from the Apple store, but I can't really blame them though. It'd be a pretty tough feat to out-design a company that's known for its design. __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

04-29-2012, 12:10 AM	#383 (permalink)
Astronomer we are stardust Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,894	I used to have one of the first gen Macbooks and it was awesome. It unfortunately got old and died, and now I have a PC. I hate not having all the Apple programs that I used to use for recording music (such as Garageband). I can see pros and cons to both but I still really miss my Mac... it's hard for me to see why people are so pro-PC! __________________

04-29-2012, 01:02 AM	#384 (permalink)
CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	Usually for reasons like being able to build your own for really cheap. I don't see much value in that personally, but to each their own. On an unrelated note, I hate that when I hear about Apple's aesthetic, people who don't know any better get it completely wrong and say they add fluff or put tons of effort into making their stuff look pretty. It's the opposite. The reason their products look the way they do is because they don't add any superfluous adornments or fluff. Look at the first generation iPhone compared to those that were out at the time. Most all of them had full keyboards and up, down, left, right, and select controls, as well as a screen (obviously). The iPhone comes along and just has a big screen and a button. Not more, but less. The bare essentials. Form always follows function. It's one of the basest principles of design. If they didn't follow that, their products wouldn't look the way they do. __________________ Your eyes were never yet let in to see the majesty and riches of the mind, but dwell in darkness; for your God is blind.

04-29-2012, 02:39 AM	#385 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	It has probably been said plenty times before, but as a person who has used both systems (predominately PC, but used a Mac and learned a lot about it in a Mac class in college), the difference and intent behind both systems is obvious. Mac is a user-friendly system. It's practically perfect right out of the box, requiring little user configuration, and it will run the programs designed for it flawlessly. It is no surprise that there is a user-base that supports that quality. And that user-base is ok with paying a little more and not having the customization options a PC might have, because they don't find a need for them. That is exactly why Mac is viable on the market. PC is not so user-friendly. At first, it might be, but eventually, all PCs need far more maintenance than a Mac, and have more issues that consumer-level users may not be capable of handling. It may not run all the programs designed for it flawlessly, but it will definitely provide more options for what you can run on it. More importantly, it costs less and can be upgraded to a very high degree. The Windows operating system also allows for a very high degree of control. It appeals to those who want a system they can alter and make work to their own specifications, rather than specifications that are predetermined. So, the difference is very much need and intent. Obviously, popularity of one system over the other might lead the wrong kinds of users to the wrong kind of system, and there will inevitably be disappointment. Someone who just wants their system to work for their needs and is not concerned about tweaking that system or upgrading it should obviously go for the system that provides just their needs and nothing more. And, alternately, someone who wants to be able to fit their system to a larger horizon of possible needs as they arise, and has the knowledge to do so, should choose the system that allows it. Both systems might be on equal footing in the center of the sphere of needs, but it's the peripheral benefits that really separate one from the other, and separate the reason an informed party chooses one over the other as per their particular intent with that system.

05-05-2012, 11:42 AM	#389 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I'm surprised that most stuff I have read have been negative comments about macs. I don't have much experience with them but I like macs. I like apple mainly because of iPods and iPhones. I think they're great products. I've really been wanting to get a MacBook, but the main reason I want one is because of GarageBand. I have the GarageBand app on my phone and I really like it, I know how to use it. That's another reason why I want GarageBand on a MacBook is because I'm already familiar with the program. It can be pretty confusing when you're new to a program. So, my question is, would I be just as well off with a laptop other than a Mac? I know it would save me money. it doesn't make much sense to pay 1000 dollars for GarageBand.