Also, inane. The absolute cheek of you.

I disagree with this analogy. No offense to you personally, but I think this perception of the mods demonstrates a lack of understanding of what we actually spend most of our time doing.

To me the mods are more like unpaid bartenders. We spend most of our time cleaning the bar (deleting spam) and serving people (updating avatars, approving threads, answering questions, etc.). Every once in a while we get a rowdy drunk in the bar who's either picking fights with people or making a mess or both. So we tell this person to knock it off. Sometimes they calm right down, sometimes they're belligerent drunks who get up in our faces. When that happens, rather than immediately throwing them out of the bar, we sometimes have a few harsh words for these belligerent ones in a final attempt to get them to back down. This is where Vegangelica comes in, not in the form of a social worker, but in the form of a busybody who just entered the room and has no idea what's going on but nevertheless decides to deliver some interminable, condescending sermon about how bartenders shouldn't be so mean to poor innocent patrons. It doesn't do anything to improve the mood in the bar, all it does is create drama. That's why it annoys the bartenders.

regardless of my personal opinions about this thread even existing, this is a solid analogy. it helps me understand. in light of it, i'm choosing to be a little less crazy about my feelings toward fetchers comment and apologizing for my over-reaction.

so, fetcher, just know that what you said was simply disheartening for me. there was no need for me to get up in arms about it, as no, i am not the "posting police." i was kind of affected by it (as i am by many things that don't seem like people helping people) and i let it get the best of me.

be well.

Wow! That`s difficult to argue with; a well-thought-out analogy that clarifies the situation, from a guy who actually knows what`s going on. Thanks for the explanation, and thanks for all that unpaid effort in serving drinks and clearing tables !

I must have missed something.

I'm a fan so I don't mind her lectures. Particularly if she writes one on anal beads.

I'm sure there's an angle where she could get into that. Product testing, animal cruelty, etc.

Out of context: You do know in hospitality being impolite to patrons is looked at as unprofessional, right? Whether they're being disorderly or not.

I understand that wasn't the point of what you posted. Thought I'd just throw it out there.

But hey, there were heaps of moments where I felt like throwing a beer at a customer's face.

*FWAP*

Roadhouse.

Um, I dunno who that apology is directed at.

I think maybe in future you should try and be less emotional before you engage in musicbanter, I'm not going to lie, I'm pissed off at how judgemental everyone was towards my remark, I will try to be less rude and inane with my sociopathic ways in future :laughing:. How was it disheartening? I could go into the funny picture thread and find way more offensive stuff that people find funny. Just because you don't find me funny doesn't mean you can say **** like that to me, be thankful I'm not easily pissed off.

LOL. Maybe things are different where you live, but I've never been to a bar where they pander to someone who is starting fights, they generally just toss them out the door instead of giving them multiple chances like we do here. And those are people who are actually getting paid to do the job, not volunteers like the mod team here.

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the apology was directed at you.

it was disheartening because you're a human and vegan is a human and humans shouldn't tell each other to kill themselves. the breach in logic (a blatant one, IMO) in what you've just written here (aside from the contradiction i posed by bolding two parts of that quote) that i also find disheartening that you seem to think because some people find you funny (regardless of your sentence "I'm pissed off at how judgemental everyone was toward my remark", you still say this) it gives you licence to say whatever you feel like saying and expect it to just slide off of any and everyone's back. and furthermore, your last sentence declares that i am not allowed to say whatever i want, while you - seemingly - are.

i am totally over being "emotional" about it (but nonetheless quite alright that i have the capacity to do so), but your statement here is no less confusing than it is disheartening. i know now not to get worked up about what you say, perhaps because you seem to think you can kick my ass, and perhaps because your words just fall out of your mouth without much thought. either way, i apologized for over-reacting. and that's where you and i part on the subject.

Whether or not you think my comment was sarcastic, it doesn't matter. I express my apologies, even though my remarks were meant to be taken lightly.

Cool. I was going to accept it, before I read your full post.

I never once directed my kill yourself comment at vegan. It was a general statement. If you hadn't hit a blind rage then you would have realised I said I didn't care what anyone thought, vegan is such a sweet person or something along those lines. I would never blatantly tell someone on the Internet to kill themselves because I know not everyone has a thick skin like myself, I did however say if you can't take a bit of a slagging then don't use the Internet because people are nasty when they don't have to face the consequences of their actions/words. If I have a problem with someone I will approach the problem, not that I ever do have problems with members, except you. Yeah I was pissed off at how judgemental everyone was, I was bothered by your remarks to begin with which is when I first replied to you, being pissed off is a very general term, I'm sure you understand you get different degrees of anger, don't try and trip me up.

I'm never said everyone had to find me funny, if you don't like it you don't need to tell me you're going to beat the **** out of me over it, at least I was ****ing joking when your post was full of malice.

Listen, this isn't some sort of intelligence competition, I'm awfully sorry I'm not as good at writing pretentious posts as you are. Don't speak down to me as if I'm stupid, I'm certainly not.


On a side note, I've probably put bigger guys than you on their ass for less.

That is a really well thought out analogy, I am totally agreeing with it.

I think the irony of this thread now is the fact that it's 10 pages long, and Vegan hasn't posted once.

She will, she's probably preparing it currently.

Sounds like it's directed expressly at Vegangelica?

Well.. I'm **** at writing we've all pointed that out. I never meant by saying "you" that that was Erica. I meant in general, as I've said maybe once or twice before.



Anyone else got any complaints? I'm going to bed soon.

You didn't notice my apology :( Anyway, I apologize for the miscommunication, hopefully no hard feelings.

It is cool, there is no hard feelings at all Ki, like I said your post was freshest in my head which is why I brought it up.

I'm still waiting to hear how my being a dominatrix has **** all to do with what I said

Not a problem, and completely understandable. :)

Yeah, seems like the only reason that was brought up is because the person saying it was just trying to insult you. Which isn't exactly fair, especially in this thread.

This is a completely unbiased post, but people seem to use your job as a dominatrix as some sort of excuse for your attitude when you haven't changed a bit since lass :)

Maybe one or more. Or less.

Yes I know. That's why I left it out of context and said that wasn't the point you made. The statement wasn't intended to question how you do your job.

Security guards do that job here, but mostly just toss them out without saying anything. Bartenders are generally expected to say "I'm sorry sir but you've had too much to drink tonight, we're cutting you off." Most probably they'll argue and then we'll either throw RSA laws at their face blah blah responsibility of my job and if they still carry on, security steps in. If it were up to us, we'd probably punch them in the face eventually but instead we become alcoholics and drink ourselves to death by the end of the night and wake up in the morning with at least 5 drinks into us before going to work.

But then again, I see you guys as hybrids of both, so have a stiff drink, perhaps a double shot before logging on. Make sure you spike your coffee too.

It's also really funny considering he tried to demonstrate his BDSM smarts to me then proceeded to be butthurt when I told him he couldn't know more about it than I do. I have no idea why people seem to think pointing I'm a dominatrix is an insult, when clearly I'm not ashamed of it whatsoever. Really, even my mother knows I'm a dominatrix.



RIGHT???? I was a bitch before I was a dominatrix, I didn't magically become one as a result of being one.

Well, you've learnt from the best. Mother must have whipped you good.

Girl u nasty

I personally see nothing wrong with it. If anything, I just express some silly remarks and forget about most conversations anyway. So yeah, nothing really wrong with doing whatever you wanna do.

Stop making me fall in love with you, you indomitable bitch.

:laughing: yes boaby. You've just found a job you're damn perfect for.


Hah thanks I think engine. There will be no more of that tho, allegedly some got butthurt.

I knew you didn't *really* want me dead, K! Not like some people. ;)

From my perspective, you started a thread to mock Whiskey's posts, and Whiskey didn't enjoy the "joke." And so, as I will always do when I see someone mocked, I came to Whiskey's defense. I voted "1 million" in your poll. :p:

Janszoon's analogy to moderators being bartenders who give harsh words to belligerent drunks doesn't seem to match Whiskey's situation here at MB, since all Whiskey was doing "wrong" was starting polls that you happened to find boring, Vanilla.

Perhaps there was some "backstory" I didn't know about in Whiskey's case, as Janszoon suggested; however, that doesn't change my view that I feel mods should not start threads to mock members, regardless of those members' actions.

In my eyes, Whiskey was an innocent patron of MusicBanter's bar, and you went out of your way to mock him or her. And not one moderator, as far as I've seen, has stood up in Whiskey's defense.

I think many members of the moderator team here are so used to this mocking, belittling way of treating people at MB that they have created a "culture" encouraging it. Since you are part of that culture and are used to it, you probably can't see it like an outsider might.

I notice you don't take kindly to my criticism of how you and other mods sometimes handle situations, Vanilla. Can you imagine, then, how Whiskey would feel, arriving at MB one morning and seeing the thread you created about *his* contributions to the site?

Whiskey's response to my post in which I came to her or his defense in your thread that made fun of Whiskey's polls makes me glad I stood up for her or him, because Whiskey appreciated my support at the time. If you don't understand why your thread was hurtful, I wish you would, Vanilla.

^ This is the backstory I saw about Whiskey: Whiskey actively posted almost every day and contributed significantly to the forum in various ways.

If moderators feel annoyed by a member, starting a thread as you did, Vanilla, to mock the member isn't a constructive, helpful, or kind response. I also feel it is not the kind of moderation I'd like to see at MusicBanter and it isn't even moderation! It's...starting a thread to make fun of someone. :/

^ Lecture #6,001

Dude it was a light hearted thread and Whiskey said that he didn't take it to be a big deal. It was in the games forum for **** sake. You don't need to defend people all the time because people can fight the battles all the same. Not that it was. Notice how they thread derailed into an intense one once you sunk your teeth into it?

I get it, my name is Vanilla, would you like a picture to go with it?

After you arrived with your lecture he asked to be banned.

I'm never going to give into your ideals because you've come into threads before all guns blazing. The mods have said to you to lighten up, so why don't you? I've been around the block on many forums for 10 years and know the difference between malicious mocking to light-hearted banter.

Not sure if you can hear me up on your high horse or not, but yes there was indeed a "backstory". Some of it is not stuff you would have seen and some of it was right out in the open on the forums here. Which means you either deliberately chose to ignore it, or more likely, just decided for the umpteenth time that you should launch into lecture mode without bothering to establish any kind of frame of reference.

:laughing:

I love it.

I think Erica's got a point. You start a mock/parody thread; if the person you're mocking does not find it funny, then it was mean and you shouldn't have, mod or not. Particularly not mods.

If he's a problem, deal with it in a mature manner.

Yeah, funny that.
Do you really think we all woke up one day & decided to hate on the guy?
Are you really that naive?

You really have no clue how this place needs to be run. You can be nice to people until you are blue in the face sometimes and it makes no difference, sometimes the only solution is to descend to their level. You don't like it , I don't like it. But in a lot of cases it's the only thing these people understand.

And lets not pretend that thread was anything malicious, that guy loved the attention. As proved when he got all upset with me for closing other threads that were about him.

hi charles