Rape - Whose Fault Is It?

Burning Down · 07-13-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by misspoptart

Honestly I don't have much left to say about the topic. It seems like those who have chosen to comment on my posts are really more interested in bashing men who they consider to be below them because they made the mistake of misreading a woman's social cues. Also how any of you can claim to know more about it...unless you've been raped or have raped... I think you're just playing the holier-than-thou card. Yep... I am a dumb slut and he was a complete criminal. Is that what you want me to say? :eyeroll:

Your posts sort of insinuated that you think it's usually the victim's fault, in general not just in your situation. Perhaps I misinterpreted but it doesn't look like I'm the only one who did.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 07-13-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

Your posts sort of insinuated that you think it's usually the victim's fault, in general not just in your situation. Perhaps I misinterpreted but it doesn't look like I'm the only one who did.

Not having a go but how did you come to that conclusion? 'Usually' the victim's fault?

Anyway seeing as we were discussing rights to anonymity earlier in the thread, this seems a good a place to post as any. Manchester Evening News are at it again:

Picture released of man wanted in connection with rape of woman in Manchester city centre - Manchester Evening News

This lad's reputation is now fucked forever guilty or not.

According to one prominent feminist piece of shit who I can't be arsed Googling at the minute this will do him good because she reckons men benefit from being falsely accused of rape. (That's if it is false.)

Burning Down · 07-13-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens

Not having a go but how did you come to that conclusion? 'Usually' the victim's fault?

Anyway seeing as we were discussing rights to anonymity earlier in the thread, this seems a good a place to post as any. Manchester Evening News are at it again:

Picture released of man wanted in connection with rape of woman in Manchester city centre - Manchester Evening News

This lad's reputation is now fucked forever guilty or not.

According to one prominent feminist piece of shit who I can't be arsed Googling at the minute this will do him good because she reckons men benefit from being falsely accused of rape. (That's if it is false.)

That's not my own opinion though. It's me trying to understand someone else's opinion.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 07-13-2013, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens

Not having a go but how did you come to that conclusion? 'Usually' the victim's fault?

Anyway seeing as we were discussing rights to anonymity earlier in the thread, this seems a good a place to post as any. Manchester Evening News are at it again:

Picture released of man wanted in connection with rape of woman in Manchester city centre - Manchester Evening News

This lad's reputation is now fucked forever guilty or not.

According to one prominent feminist piece of shit who I can't be arsed Googling at the minute this will do him good because she reckons men benefit from being falsely accused of rape. (That's if it is false.)

god i hate feminists. head on over to reddit's /srs section to find complete idiots like that. they dont want equality.

anyways with poptarts situation i think i am understanding better than some people. ive been in situations like that. if you go home with a girl it kinda expected you are gonna get laid. i would be lying if i said i hadnt tried to persuade a girl from having sex in similar situations. if she outright says no thats one thing but if she gives you the 'im not sure' vibe but is still kissing you, then you **** her without explicit consent then you're technically a rapist and i dont think thats worthy of ike 25 yrs in prison

djchameleon · 07-13-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 216

god i hate feminists. head on over to reddit's /srs section to find complete idiots like that. they dont want equality.

anyways with poptarts situation i think i am understanding better than some people. ive been in situations like that. if you go home with a girl it kinda expected you are gonna get laid. i would be lying if i said i hadnt tried to persuade a girl from having sex in similar situations. if she outright says no thats one thing but if she gives you the 'im not sure' vibe but is still kissing you, then you **** her without explicit consent then you're technically a rapist and i dont think thats worthy of ike 25 yrs in prison

Other people understand, they just choose to sit up on their high horses and pass judgement regardless of the situation because everything is black and white for them.

#000000 · 07-13-2013, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens

Not having a go but how did you come to that conclusion? 'Usually' the victim's fault?

Anyway seeing as we were discussing rights to anonymity earlier in the thread, this seems a good a place to post as any. Manchester Evening News are at it again:

snip

This lad's reputation is now fucked forever guilty or not.

According to one prominent feminist piece of shit who I can't be arsed Googling at the minute this will do him good because she reckons men benefit from being falsely accused of rape. (That's if it is false.)

(Link snipped because otherwise it won't let me post.)

In some jurisdictions if you're a suspect in a serious crime, law enforcement will try to find you by any means. We don't know what's going on behind-the-scenes but I believe that they usually only divulge names or pictures if they can't find the person through any other means like finding them at home or asking their family and friends.

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Originally Posted by 216

god i hate feminists. head on over to reddit's /srs section to find complete idiots like that. they dont want equality.

anyways with poptarts situation i think i am understanding better than some people. ive been in situations like that. if you go home with a girl it kinda expected you are gonna get laid. i would be lying if i said i hadnt tried to persuade a girl from having sex in similar situations. if she outright says no thats one thing but if she gives you the 'im not sure' vibe but is still kissing you, then you **** her without explicit consent then you're technically a rapist and i dont think thats worthy of ike 25 yrs in prison

Have you tried seeing the situation from the perspective of the girls you take home, though? Women are often taught that they need to live up to that expectation of sex or think it's rude if they get second-thoughts and say no. If she's giving you the "I don't know" vibe maybe it's just better to stop. It's not just about explicit consent but enthusiastic consent as well, a "yes" that is exorted from a girl isn't really consent but her being afraid that you're going ahead anyway or of being considered rude.

I don't know, if someone I'm kissing gives me the "I don't know if I want to have sex" vibe we just keep kissing if that's ok and if not we just stop. I'd rather have sex with someone who is just into it as I am than have sex with someone who isn't sure about the situation.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 07-14-2013, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by #000000

(Link snipped because otherwise it won't let me post.)

In some jurisdictions if you're a suspect in a serious crime, law enforcement will try to find you by any means. We don't know what's going on behind-the-scenes but I believe that they usually only divulge names or pictures if they can't find the person through any other means like finding them at home or asking their family and friends.

Like you say, we don't know what's going on but for the MEN to print his picture without knowing the full truth is just irresponsible.

They obviously know it too, because they've taken the picture down now.

Good posts btw & welcome to the board.

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Have you tried seeing the situation from the perspective of the girls you take home, though? Women are often taught that they need to live up to that expectation of sex or think it's rude if they get second-thoughts and say no. If she's giving you the "I don't know" vibe maybe it's just better to stop. It's not just about explicit consent but enthusiastic consent as well, a "yes" that is exorted from a girl isn't really consent but her being afraid that you're going ahead anyway or of being considered rude.

Hard to argue with any of this, particularly agree w/ the bit in bold.

djchameleon · 07-13-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

Your posts sort of insinuated that you think it's usually the victim's fault, in general not just in your situation. Perhaps I misinterpreted but it doesn't look like I'm the only one who did.

No, her posts are just about her situation and how she feels like she was partly responsible not that it's the victim's fault.

This is typical behavior for someone that has been raped to feel guilty about it and second guess what they could have done to change the situation.

CrazyVegn · 07-13-2013, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

Your posts sort of insinuated that you think it's usually the victim's fault, in general not just in your situation. Perhaps I misinterpreted but it doesn't look like I'm the only one who did.

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