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James 04-09-2014 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1437523)
Um, Batlord could be right. She apparently now has never heard of a concentration camp. :shycouch: She's 22 before anyone asks.

:banghead:

How can anyone, of any age, not know about concentration camps? Wish we didn't have to but come on: were all those lives lost in vain? If we don't remember, if we're not taught these things, you know what can happen...

I'm sorry but this is literally impossible. The Holocaust is forced in to your brain in school, from an early age.

Paul Smeenus 04-09-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 1437529)
I'm sorry but this is literally impossible. The Holocaust is forced in to your brain in school, from an early age.


It's not impossible. There's some kids that never see the inside of a public or even private school, they are home schooled and a very high percentage of those families have some kind of crackpot religious fundamentalism, where there would be an increased potential for Holocaust revisionism and/or denial. Some statistics:

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=91


I do not have statistics as to whether or not or what percentage of the estimated 1.5 million kids in the US are not taught about the Holocaust but the principle reason given for homeschooling is " a desire to provide religious or moral instruction (36 percent of students)".

jackhammer 04-09-2014 06:51 PM

Looking in the mirror.

Astronomer 04-09-2014 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 1437567)
Looking in the mirror.

That should make you feel cool. :thumb:

Trollheart 04-09-2014 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1437562)
It's not impossible. There's some kids that never see the inside of a public or even private school, they are home schooled and a very high percentage of those families have some kind of crackpot religious fundamentalism, where there would be an increased potential for Holocaust revisionism and/or denial. Some statistics:

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=91


I do not have statistics as to whether or not or what percentage of the estimated 1.5 million kids in the US are not taught about the Holocaust but the principle reason given for homeschooling is " a desire to provide religious or moral instruction (36 percent of students)".

That's very true but this woman is obviously educated. After all, she's a carer. So it's not like she had some sort of sheltered upbringing or didn't go to school. She's reasonably intelligent from what I know of her. This has just shocked me. My sis originally said "death camps" and she didn't know what she meant, so she said, "You know: concentration camps" and she said "What's that?" :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Paul Smeenus 04-09-2014 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1437594)
That's very true but this woman is obviously educated. After all, she's a carer. So it's not like she had some sort of sheltered upbringing or didn't go to school. She's reasonably intelligent from what I know of her. This has just shocked me. My sis originally said "death camps" and she didn't know what she meant, so she said, "You know: concentration camps" and she said "What's that?" :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


I was just addressing James' contention that it's not possible for anyone to be unfamiliar with the Holocaust

anticipation 04-09-2014 09:52 PM

the age of the earth, diamonds, dinosaur bones, the sun, the moon.

ladyislingering 04-09-2014 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1437523)
Um, Batlord could be right. She apparently now has never heard of a concentration camp. :shycouch: She's 22 before anyone asks.

http://i.imgur.com/ZTjT6ew.gif

my blood boils at the thought of the holocaust; it was one of the most vile things that ever happened to humanity, and yet I have a very faint desire for her entire lineage to have been destroyed in the wake of genocide so we wouldn't have to tolerate that level of stupidity in modern times.

James 04-10-2014 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1437562)
It's not impossible. There's some kids that never see the inside of a public or even private school, they are home schooled and a very high percentage of those families have some kind of crackpot religious fundamentalism, where there would be an increased potential for Holocaust revisionism and/or denial. Some statistics:

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=91


I do not have statistics as to whether or not or what percentage of the estimated 1.5 million kids in the US are not taught about the Holocaust but the principle reason given for homeschooling is " a desire to provide religious or moral instruction (36 percent of students)".

Very true, and quite startling. But for somebody in Trollheart and I's corner of the world I think it's extremely unlikely.

djchameleon 04-10-2014 06:14 AM

Dang Paul home schooling isn't that sinister. They for have guidelines and they have to teach world history. If you lived in silly ass states like Texas where the education standards where they oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.

You would home school your kids instead of sending them off to public school.

Astronomer 04-10-2014 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1437739)
Dang Paul home schooling isn't that sinister. They for have guidelines and they have to teach world history. If you lived in silly ass states like Texas where the education standards where they oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.

You would home school your kids instead of sending them off to public school.

DJ is right. Homeschooling is not the same as Unschooling. Parents or guardians who decide to "homeschool" have a curriculum, guidelines and assessment pieces that they need to complete and are constantly checked up on re: their children's progress and learnings. "Unschooling" (it has various different names these days, this is one that I can think of) is completely different and is basically where the parents/guardians don't send their children to school but also don't follow a curriculum or set guidelines. They don't really have any pedagogy behind what their kids are learning. Completely different from homeschooling, so don't lump all homeschooling parents into that stereotype!

Paul Smeenus 04-10-2014 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Astronomer (Post 1437742)
DJ is right. Homeschooling is not the same as Unschooling. Parents or guardians who decide to "homeschool" have a curriculum, guidelines and assessment pieces that they need to complete and are constantly checked up on re: their children's progress and learnings. "Unschooling" (it has various different names these days, this is one that I can think of) is completely different and is basically where the parents/guardians don't send their children to school but also don't follow a curriculum or set guidelines. They don't really have any pedagogy behind what their kids are learning. Completely different from homeschooling, so don't lump all homeschooling parents into that stereotype!

I didnt.


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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1437562)
It's not impossible. There's some kids that never see the inside of a public or even private school, they are home schooled and [ba very high percentage[/b] of those families have some kind of crackpot religious fundamentalism, where there would be an increased potential for Holocaust revisionism and/or denial. Some statistics:

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=91


I do not have statistics as to whether or not or what percentage of the estimated 1.5 million kids in the US are not taught about the Holocaust but the principle reason given for homeschooling is " a desire to provide religious or moral instruction (36 percent of students)".


36 percent is IMO an unacceptably high percentage but certainly not *all* or even a majority. Furthermore I stated that it was an unknown percentage of that group that could be fed the crackpot ideas. It could be half or less, idk but I do know those people are out there.

djchameleon 04-10-2014 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1437816)
36 percent is IMO an unacceptably high percentage but certainly not *all* or even a majority. Furthermore I stated that it was an unknown percentage of that group that could be fed the crackpot ideas. It could be half or less, idk but I do know those people are out there.

I haven't been to the link because Chrome stopped me saying it was dangerous but 36% adding religious instruction to the rest of their home school curricular. Isn't crack pot ideas that won't teach world studies.

Paul Smeenus 04-10-2014 10:39 AM

^ Oh for crying out loud Deej read what I wrote

djchameleon 04-10-2014 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1437869)
^ Oh for crying out loud Deej read what I wrote

You know by now I can't read.

James 04-10-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1437872)
You know by now I can't read.

Were you homeschooled by any chance?

Paul Smeenus 04-10-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1437872)
You know by now I can't read.

It's not so much that you can't read as much as you can't finish the first sentence, let alone move on to the second.

djchameleon 04-10-2014 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 1437874)
Were you homeschooled by any chance?

Good ole Public school education.

bob. 04-10-2014 12:22 PM

chaperoning a senior class trip and coming to the realization that you are old enough to be their father

Trollheart 04-10-2014 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyislingering (Post 1437690)
http://i.imgur.com/ZTjT6ew.gif

my blood boils at the thought of the holocaust; it was one of the most vile things that ever happened to humanity, and yet I have a very faint desire for her entire lineage to have been destroyed in the wake of genocide so we wouldn't have to tolerate that level of stupidity in modern times.

I'm not sure what you're saying here... are you saying that it would be better if my friend the carer had not been born? Surely you're not saying that? But I lost the thread of your comment, completely.

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Originally Posted by James (Post 1437736)
Very true, and quite startling. But for somebody in Trollheart and I's corner of the world I think it's extremely unlikely.

Especially given the amount of history channel dox, movies, even video games for chrissakes! It seems absolutely unbelievable that anyone could be unaware of one of the most heinous crimes ever committed on this planet. I wonder if she knows about a guy called Hitler? I'm not joking. I'm gonna ask her. But of course I don't want to seem like I'm making fun of her. It is worrying though, if this is a trend. I wonder how many of "The Facebook Generation" would know about this?

And now I feel about a hundred and ten years old! :rolleyes:

jackhammer 04-10-2014 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Astronomer (Post 1437568)
That should make you feel cool. :thumb:

Sometimes!

When people comment on a song or band that they loved when they were growing up and you are like ****! I AM old!

Sansa Stark 04-10-2014 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 1436816)
I don't really like the concept of 'acting your age'. I am eighteen, and that in no way affects the way I act.


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James 04-10-2014 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sansa Stark (Post 1438165)
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Are you quoting this because you have the same outlook? Because I know you're not eighteen...

Sansa Stark 04-10-2014 06:03 PM

NO cause YOURE 18

when the **** did that happen

James 04-10-2014 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sansa Stark (Post 1438170)
NO cause YOURE 18

when the **** did that happen

Haha, September of 2013. We grow up so fast!

GuD 04-10-2014 09:38 PM

Nothing.

I will be young until I die.

**** YOU STAY PUNK.


ALL THE KIDS SO SATISFIED TO SHED THEIR SKINS AND SHUT THEIR EYES.

Plankton 04-11-2014 08:21 AM

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho...11769858_n.jpg

Scarlett O'Hara 04-11-2014 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 1437093)
Yeah, Casablanca is one of my favourite movies. It's the same concept as music - do you feel old when people say they haven't heard of say Neil Young? They're just not into music.

I love it too. Honestly, I've gotten far more into music, movies and society of yore. I absolutely adore Gone With The Wind, Doctor Zhivago, How To Marry A Millionare, Breakfast and Tiffany's, Show Boat, Spartacus, the Fall of the Roman Empire, etc etc.

I feel old when I see tweens posting on twitter about Justin Bieber.

Trollheart 04-11-2014 01:28 PM

Best (worst) of all was when I still worked for a living. Mentioned Mark Anthony and one of the women there went "Oh yeah isn't he married to Whitney Houston" (or some celebrity). I tried to point out I was talking about the historical figure, but I must have sprouted three extra heads without knowing it, from the blank look she gave me.

Bleeding Facebook Generation! Grumble mutter growl.....

Xurtio 04-11-2014 01:33 PM

If you like Casablanca, Key Largo is another good one.

Black Francis 04-11-2014 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1438599)
Best (worst) of all was when I still worked for a living. Mentioned Mark Anthony and one of the women there went "Oh yeah isn't he married to Whitney Houston" (or some celebrity). I tried to point out I was talking about the historical figure, but I must have sprouted three extra heads without knowing it, from the blank look she gave me.

Bleeding Facebook Generation! Grumble mutter growl.....

Marc anthony is married to J-lo. double whammy.

Btw, i googled Mark Anthony cause idk who he is either, and you know what i got?

Marc anthony.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-T-BMTczsvS...-anthony-1.jpg

Paul Smeenus 04-11-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1438620)
Marc anthony is married to J-lo. double whammy.

Btw, i googled Mark Anthony cause idk who he is either, and you know what i got?

Marc anthony.



James 04-11-2014 05:00 PM

People have always been dumb, you can't blame it on Facebook.

djchameleon 04-11-2014 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1438599)
Best (worst) of all was when I still worked for a living. Mentioned Mark Anthony and one of the women there went "Oh yeah isn't he married to Whitney Houston" (or some celebrity). I tried to point out I was talking about the historical figure, but I must have sprouted three extra heads without knowing it, from the blank look she gave me.

Bleeding Facebook Generation! Grumble mutter growl.....

Celebrity gossip has been around for ages. I have no idea what that has to do with the Facebook Generation.

Also agree with James, dumb people aren't something that is exclusive to this generation even if you'd like to think so.

Trollheart 04-11-2014 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 1438685)
People have always been dumb, you can't blame it on Facebook.

Can and will.
;)
There's nobody of my generation who would have said that. Maybe I should have said the celeb generation but whatever, it's all the same. People don't know their history and would rather just read the latest crappy ****e about celebs than make themselves aware. I guarantee, that girl did nothing to find out who the Mark Antony I was talking about was...

Scarlett O'Hara 04-11-2014 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Xurtio (Post 1438603)
If you like Casablanca, Key Largo is another good one.

Ooo okay that sounds good.

Trollheart 04-11-2014 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Francis (Post 1438620)
Marc anthony is married to J-lo. double whammy.

Btw, i googled Mark Anthony cause idk who he is either, and you know what i got?

Marc anthony.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-T-BMTczsvS...-anthony-1.jpg

That's my fault. I spelled it incorrectly.
Mark Antony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Astronomer 04-11-2014 09:06 PM

Three things that make me feel old:

1. I haven't bought a new Harry Potter book for 7 years.
2. The fact that the "personalised" Facebook advertisements are suggesting IVF treatments and nappies.
3. The original Power Rangers made their television debut 20 years ago. I had a pink ranger costume.

Engine 04-11-2014 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Astronomer (Post 1438775)
Three things that make me feel old:

1. I haven't bought a new Harry Potter book for 7 years.
2. The fact that the "personalised" Facebook advertisements are suggesting IVF treatments and nappies.
3. The original Power Rangers made their television debut 20 years ago. I had a pink ranger costume.

lolwut

1. you obviously young as shit if you're judging your age by that.

2. I don't even know what any of that means

3. I think I was an adult when that stuff was popular. Don't even know but it was definitely childish

Astronomer 04-11-2014 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Engine (Post 1438788)
lolwut

1. you obviously young as shit if you're judging your age by that.

2. I don't even know what any of that means

3. I think I was an adult when that stuff was popular. Don't even know but it was definitely childish

lol, I was being sarcastic, do you really think that I would judge time passing by standards of Harry Potter books being released?*

Regardless, as someone who's age is scarily approaching 30 surrounded by similar or younger-aged persons in this environment, it personally makes me feel old :)

*(Just kidding, I do.)


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