Chin up man!

Slinking = bad for back.
Drinking = good for back.

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*belches*
*scratches balls*

Putting your new ATM card to good use I see.

Bravo.

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Just wait though. I got the journal entry for you, and it'll be up in eleventy billion years.

It's up. Don't check it out, Chula: remember your blood pressure for goodness sake. I said don't ..... :banghead:
Don't say I didn't warn you.

And I still have to make a follow-up but I'm sick of Led Zeppelin.

1970.

The ****?

You do realize that most of the metal music you enjoy might not have ever existed if not for Led Zeppelin exploding onto the scene at the start of the 70s? Black Sabbath's first album came out 13 months after LZ1. Deep Purple's In Rock also came out over a year after LZ1. No one in their right mind would say that both Sabbath and Purple weren't heavily influenced by LZ1 - as was just about every other heavy band that emerged in the 70s.

Go suck on that for a while.

I'm 90% sure the LZ hate here comes from members making fun of your fanboyism and therefore taking jabs at it rather than bonafide hate of Led Zeppelin. Frownland even has a shirt for gawd sakes.

I get it.

On a side note: The original picture of Shawn Lane used as my avatar had a cigarette poking out from the headstock of the guitar. About 10 years ago I photoshopped the cigarette out and posted the picture in a Shawn Lane forum I co-ran.

Now the original shot has basically vanished from the internet.

Hendrix and heavy blues already happened before Zeppelin started. I think metal was just the next logical step that could've happened without Zeppelin but it's impossible to say.

The difference maker for LZ1 was the combination of Plant's singing style and Bonham's thunderous drumming along with Page's production. When I got my first copy of it I noticed that the grooves ran right up to the record label - all of my other albums had at least a half inch of run-off space. The grooves even looked a bit wider and deeper than my other stuff.

That album sounded absolutely HUGE compared to stuff like Cream and Hendrix.

That didn't make me like Led Zeppelin's first four albums any more. I was pretty surprised by how much I couldn't stand about half the songs on those albums. I mean, I've listened to Zeppelin albums before, but never really devoted any time to them, so I was expecting to at least be down with 30% of what I heard.

****ing the first album is Proto-Stoner Metal at times and I can't fathom how someone could dislike a SINGLE track off III or IV. Yet you somehow manage to.

They make boring white boy blues and I imagine that if they started now they'd make folk little better than Mumford and Sons and with a similar approach. Aside from that they insist on dragging songs on for far too long, and dragging them out with the most boring parts of the song. I've come around to the idea that punk was necessary to kill this kind of self-indulgent, unselfaware bull****.

So black sabbath formed, created a LZ inspired album and had it on shelves in 13 months? I think you have to be around a lot longer than that to be a heavy influence.

*shrug*

LZ plays "white boy blues" with tons more authenticity than about 75% of those ****ty whitewashed blues rock bands.

100% agree with this although I have to quote something from a decades later review of Physical Graffiti: This album represents a time when dinosaurs walked the earth. And walked proudly.

Factoid you may not know: The brilliant manager of Zep, Peter Grant, had advance pressings of LZ1 (shipped in plain white sleeves since the cover hadn't been designed yet) sent to all of the newly flourishing progressive FM radio stations months before the album hit the stores.

The immediate impact was overwhelming. FM back then could do whatever the hell they wanted and stations like WBCN in Boston would spin the entire album for days in a row. By the time LZ1 was officially released people were well aware of the band from the radio and their initial shows prior to the release of the album - 40 dates total, the first 31 being in Europe.

Everyone in the rock world was blown away long before you could buy the first album.

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That says nothing, and considering how much closer chronologically they were to their influences I would disagree with them being more authentic. They just didn't have lame indie getting in the way.

Ok. Where'd they get this from? Pay close attention to JPJ and Bonham. That **** had never ever been done before.

I just felt like poking the bear. Idk ish about your old ppl music or what goes into the entire creation process. I dont even play an instrument. How long are we talking between regular radio play and on the shelves? It just seems strange to me even if they had been around for 2 years that theyd have heavy influence cause i generally attribute that kind of recognition as more of a long term thing. Im sure their success was inspiring but to heavily influence? Sounds almost surreal.

LZ:Black Sabbath :: Nicki Minaj:Iggy Azelia, seems more appropriate than heavily influenced. Idk maybe im just arguing semantics or the culture gap has me in the fog.

The first ever power ballad. Amazing guitar work from Pagey and Plant at his best.



DWV: The world was so much smaller back then. When something created a major buzz it had a huge impact because you weren't constantly being assaulted with flashes in the pan via TV, radio, internet, social media, etc.

You're an old enough fogey to know this.

Also there are examples of artists who influenced others yet put their debut album out later.

Lol the first power ballad was a cover.

Which sounded absolutely nothing like the original. Which was not a power ballad. Come on man. Actually one of the best examples of Zep taking what came before them and ****ing rocking the god damn **** out of it.

I think it just speaks to the nature of power ballads and how we should try to forget that such a thing ever happened to music.

Go away dullard.



Brilliant songwriting. And if you disagree you're doing it with emotion and not logic.

I've spent years trying to forget about Led Zeppelin and their godawful sound.

A lot of their stuff sounds great IMO it's just a shame half of it is nicked.

This level of irony. I...I can't handle it.

Yeah that's ****ing great. They can have been as influential as they wanted to be, but that doesn't make their music any better to listen to. You know who else was extremtly influential in their field? Death.






That's actually one of the songs I liked from that album. Because it balanced the melodic and heavy parts of the song way better than they often did. I generally didn't feel like I was wasting my time with **** that Led Zeppelin didn't know how to properly do while waiting for the good part to come up.

And when they did rock out it was amazing. When Zeppelin bring out the rock it is often almost unparalleled, but so often they try to noodle and bull**** around with garbage that they have no business playing around with.

1. Slept like **** last night.

2. Tweaked by back during it all.

3. First rum and coke is settling in nicely at the moment.

4. Have read this sentence six times and it's still not sitting right.

5. About to go for R&C number two.

6. I predict a nap within the next couple of hours.

7. If I'm still posting after that point, ignore 98% of what I type.

That is all.

All I'm trying to say is that I'm not judging Led Zeppelin by their influence. Just the way I do or do not like the sound that is coming out of my headphones.

You need new headphones. Listen to these songs through cans and then deny Page's brilliance.

In The Light
Ten Years Gone
The Song Remains the Same
Stairway to Heaven.

The dude treated and recorded his guitars like a freaking orchestra.

Overproduced. I always say if you can't do it live don't do it at all!

And I just don't like what Led Zeppelin does when they aren't making pure rock. They are an amazing rock band, but they had delusions of grandeur about being a folk/blues band.

I'm curious about your thoughts on the dividing line between rock and blues when it comes to Zeppelin. Specific song examples and **** because I always saw rock as just heavier blues.

But he did do it live. Which is all the more amazing.



Killer use of a B-Bender on his tele. In case you don't know what it is, the B-Bender is a device that connects the B string of the guitar to the upper strap button. Every time Page yanks down on the guitar it bends the B string.

Disclaimer: This is 1979 when Page was deep in the throes of Heroin addiction so cut the dude an ounce of slack.