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I'd be interested in hearing some Immortal Technique bill.

and I'm not a huge political message kinda guy. I like introspection and personal beliefs (such as faith or postive lifestyles or veganism) as lyrics more so than an agenda.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

What about Springsteens song "Devil's and Dust" which is a fictional introspection testimony from a solider in war.

Theres more than one way to approach a song, and while some songs come right out and say the usual stuff (sabbath "war pigs") this is a song that looks at it from a diffrent prespective.

Im sort of wondering what you think about songs like this.

I don't mind it at all if it's done in an interesting manner, I don't even really mind Black Sabbath, I guess I'm just venting at punk bands who, while usually making valid points, rarely make new ones and just don't bring them across in an interesting manner.

I'm all about creativity and expressing feelings, but sometimes it becomes too much of a lecture and not enough of a means of expressing emotions.

Immortal Technique is the shizz.

I like some political lyrics. But I only like when an artist really gets stuck into what they believe.

Thats why I like RATM so much. They put so much energy into making their opinions felt that you almost didn't care what they were fighting for, as long as you were on their side and not on the recieving end. The fact that they were fighting for peoples rights did make it that much more emphatic however.

To really generalise right now, Greendays American Idiot is a terrible effort at being political. The presentation is not there. It's too watery and theres no punch whatsoever. Rage could have used the exact same lyrics and made a killer song out of it. Even though it's really short by their standards, I have no doubt that they would throw everything they had into that song and pulled it off.

My point is, I don't care if bands sing about cliched politics, I only care that they do it with some goddamn vindiction and passion. Politics play a massive part in peoples lives, in some places they are critical, and if a band is going to go down the political path I only wish they put their heart, arse and testicles into what they're fighting for.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Also, Fogerty's "Have you ever seen rain" which doens't come out to say anything directly, but has its foot in political motivation.

Actually, this song was about heroin use by soldiers in Vietnam. That was their slang term for heroin "the rain" :pimp:

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

See, that isnt the kind of political message I mean.
I can't stand it when a song is filled with "war is ghey"
There is nothing more aggravating than listening to Good Charlotte try to get us to take them seriously, by making a political song

EDIT: I know I keep referencing this song, but it is because it is a great song

The Prophecy- Immortal Technique

I calculate planet alignment like Mayan astronomy
Discovering atrocities worst than Aristotle
Subjecting children to sodomy
Your theory of the galaxy is primitive like telome
The truth about the universe stuck up like Aztec pottery
Unpredictable results like experimental psychology
I stomp the streets with emcee's beneath my feet in colonies
But presentation and spirit revolve around autonomy
Searching for monogamy
And cutting fake bitches out of my mind like a lobotomy
So obviously I'm not gonna be here to play games
Walked the top of the world and leave the arctic circle in
flames
Battle the beast and false prophet predicted in the King James
I give a f**k about your emcee name I don't admire you
Only by dental records will you be identifiable
Cause the future is not reliable
Remember when rap was not economically viable
Comparable to what motherf**kers think of me
I might be nobody but wait till I'm together like a symphony
Resounding sound that will continue infinitely
Angel of death punishing all those who live in infamy
And shine so far away from you
You'll never get a glimpse of me
Attempts to extinguish me don't even bother me none
Like retarded kids throwing ice cubes at the sun
A victory against Immortal Technique will never be done
Just degrees of losing it every second your adding one

Some niggas dream of pushing kilos but I drop tons
With more facts and formulas and philosophical logic
Then a basement full of scientists puffing on chronic
Dip the mic in potassium cyanide and liquid bubonic
And use it as a sonogram to find the spawn of the demonic
Screaming like onyx is of absolutely no consequence
The poison is dense enough to clog up your arteries
Mercy is not a part of me
I cause you bodily injury permanently because simply verbally
murdering me
Is inconceivable cause of the unbelievable evil injected inside
The blood stream of my people
And redemption is not located under a church steeple
The feeble and the meek in soul just like the technique
Will inherit the earth, But the earth will be weak
Mother earth in her decrepit terminal illness physique
The year three thousand is bleak no happily ever after
Just death following the forth reich disaster, a legacy of
bastards
With plastic explosives your futures been eroded
Cause you forgot that when your free it's multiplied
indefinitely
By the struggle that be the struggle I see
To socialistically united the third world countries
Expose hypocrisy in Americas democracy
Sloppily obsessed with stopping me cause I speak prophecy
Trample and dismantle your capitalist philosophy
The same way I stomp the conquering rap monopoly
And I'm not a ****ing prophet
But that's the ****ing prophecy

I think that he makes his point brilliantly in that song, and it is done intelligently, and without complaining
That is one example of what I mean, but to get an even better example of what I mean

Check out

"Dance With The Devil" by Immortal Technique

You're right that is a good song. If you haven't heard listen to it...now.

Rage Against the Machine's lyrics and political message I can identify with. While system of a Down I really like whenever they try any political lyrics it ends up sounding really juvenile to me.

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Originally Posted by MURDER JUNKIE

Actually, this song was about heroin use by soldiers in Vietnam. That was their slang term for heroin "the rain" :pimp:

Im pretty sure I read that in an interview, he said he didn't want to write a song that was topic and would be weaked by time.

I`d rather sit through the entre Tory/Labour/Lib Dem party conferences than ever listen to a Billy Bragg album

Right now I'm listening to Ghengis Khan by Jedi Mind Tricks, and, if I am hearing correctly, they have jumped behind the " fight for Mumia " wagon. It is a really good song, and once again, they actually have the ability to say something, without it sounding cheesy and lame.

"On my way to Philly to fight for Mumia/Only thug gorrilas will react to this/the laws try to destroy black activists"

One thing that really ticks me off is when people refer to African American people who are racist, as "reverse racism" I was listening to some song, and the guy was talking about rasicm, and he mentioned this so-called "reverse rasicm" How is that "reverse", it is the same thing as any other kind of rasicm. I just don't understand what makes that "reverse"

Alright. So today, I was talking to some kid at school, and he is really into country music. His favorite country artist is David Alan Coe.

I told him that I can't stand David Alan Coe, because he is a rasict, sexist, pig. He has a couple songs that he has written, and a couple that he has covered, that are blatantly rasict (****** Hatin' Me, Leroy The Big-Lipped ******) That is plenty enough reason for me to hate an artist. Then, the kid I'm talking to says "He isn't a rasict, he just doesn't like ******s" I then asked him to define "******" and he said that a ****** is a rasict black person.

So I asked him, what is the difference between Chris Rock making a rasict joke, and David Alan Coe making a song that is blatantly rasict? Why is it ok for David Alan Coe to do it, but not, Dr. Dre or any other rapper?

It shouldn't be accepted in either case. I especially hate it when artists attempt to make their rasict songs, seem like they contain some sort of a political meaning.