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Old 01-18-2006, 07:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am not one who goes for the cliche "bush suxxxorz" songs, put out by bands like Greenday, and all of these other wannabe punk bands bands that write songs with a political meaning, just to be accepted by the "Punk Community"

But I really do enjoy a song with good political meaning.
Especially when it is done tastefully and intelligently.

Lately, my favorite kind of music has been politically influenced rap (Immortal Technique, Nas) but I really go for any songs or artists that can get their meanings across in a song and do it with class.

Discuss politics in music, and, reccomend me some good politically influenced music (mainly punk, rap, country)

I think that this could spark some good conversation, kinda was sparked by the idea of a politics forum, but it combines the idea of music and politics
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Old 01-18-2006, 07:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Nausea, Contravene, Crass, Discharge.
Is like awesome x core political music.
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Old 01-18-2006, 07:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I dislike political messages in music, because usually it's predictable, horribly biased, and never very unique. I don't mind it, just so long as it doesn't become more about the message than the music.

Personally, I prefer lyrics that are more introspective rather than, oh gosh the war is so bad blah blah blah.
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Old 01-18-2006, 07:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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. I don't mind it, just so long as it doesn't become more about the message than the music.
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Old 01-18-2006, 07:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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See, that isnt the kind of political message I mean.
I can't stand it when a song is filled with "war is ghey"
There is nothing more aggravating than listening to Good Charlotte try to get us to take them seriously, by making a political song

EDIT: I know I keep referencing this song, but it is because it is a great song

The Prophecy- Immortal Technique

I calculate planet alignment like Mayan astronomy
Discovering atrocities worst than Aristotle
Subjecting children to sodomy
Your theory of the galaxy is primitive like telome
The truth about the universe stuck up like Aztec pottery
Unpredictable results like experimental psychology
I stomp the streets with emcee's beneath my feet in colonies
But presentation and spirit revolve around autonomy
Searching for monogamy
And cutting fake bitches out of my mind like a lobotomy
So obviously I'm not gonna be here to play games
Walked the top of the world and leave the arctic circle in
flames
Battle the beast and false prophet predicted in the King James
I give a f**k about your emcee name I don't admire you
Only by dental records will you be identifiable
Cause the future is not reliable
Remember when rap was not economically viable
Comparable to what motherf**kers think of me
I might be nobody but wait till I'm together like a symphony
Resounding sound that will continue infinitely
Angel of death punishing all those who live in infamy
And shine so far away from you
You'll never get a glimpse of me
Attempts to extinguish me don't even bother me none
Like retarded kids throwing ice cubes at the sun
A victory against Immortal Technique will never be done
Just degrees of losing it every second your adding one

Some niggas dream of pushing kilos but I drop tons
With more facts and formulas and philosophical logic
Then a basement full of scientists puffing on chronic
Dip the mic in potassium cyanide and liquid bubonic
And use it as a sonogram to find the spawn of the demonic
Screaming like onyx is of absolutely no consequence
The poison is dense enough to clog up your arteries
Mercy is not a part of me
I cause you bodily injury permanently because simply verbally
murdering me
Is inconceivable cause of the unbelievable evil injected inside
The blood stream of my people
And redemption is not located under a church steeple
The feeble and the meek in soul just like the technique
Will inherit the earth, But the earth will be weak
Mother earth in her decrepit terminal illness physique
The year three thousand is bleak no happily ever after
Just death following the forth reich disaster, a legacy of
bastards
With plastic explosives your futures been eroded
Cause you forgot that when your free it's multiplied
indefinitely
By the struggle that be the struggle I see
To socialistically united the third world countries
Expose hypocrisy in Americas democracy
Sloppily obsessed with stopping me cause I speak prophecy
Trample and dismantle your capitalist philosophy
The same way I stomp the conquering rap monopoly
And I'm not a ****ing prophet
But that's the ****ing prophecy


I think that he makes his point brilliantly in that song, and it is done intelligently, and without complaining
That is one example of what I mean, but to get an even better example of what I mean

Check out

"Dance With The Devil" by Immortal Technique
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I (as known to Bungalow) enjoy RATM...maybe too much. But he has also gotten me to start listening to politically based rap.
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Yes. They are amazing.
They, and Immortal Technique both have rapped about Mumia Abu-Jamal
He was the Black Panther who was senteneced to death after being convicted of murdering a white cop. This was so contraversial, one, because the death penalty was going to be used, and, to compound that, many were convinced that he didnt recieve a fair trial (which isn't completely unbelievable, considering he was a part of the BPP)
That kind of thing is more the message I'm talking about

Not

"War sucks"
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Yes. They are amazing.
They, and Immortal Technique both have rapped about Mumia Abu-Jamal
He was the Black Panther who was convicted to death after being convicted of murdering a white cop. This was so contraversial, one, because the death penalty was going to be used, and, to compound that, many were convinced that he didnt recieve a fair trial (which isn't completely unbelievable, considering he was a part of the BPP)
That kind of thing is more the message I'm talking about

Not

"War sucks"


I read a big artical on that and I didn't understand the whole deal. Was Mumia being shot at for a wrong reason or what?
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I (as known to Bungalow) enjoy RATM...maybe too much. But he has also gotten me to start listening to politically based rap.
i like RATM a lot. for reasons both political and musical. i like the politically geared music because while a lot of it is just repeating "FUCK THE GOVERNMENT" or "ANARCHY ANARCHY ANARCHY", some of it actually is based on events that affect our lives, and explains why the government is failing or not doing its job. the political messages in music just make it clear that the issues affect everyone. at least thats my opinion.
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I read a big artical on that and I didn't understand the whole deal. Was Mumia being shot at for a wrong reason or what?
I'll say what I know...

The whole contraversy was....

He was an out spoken member of the BPP
The FBI had COINTELPRO, an agency designed to get information from Political Associations like BPP
Therefore, he could have very well been a target of COINTELPRO, considering anotherBPP was convicted of murder under "quetionable circumstances"
Supposedly, Jamal was standing over the cops body, firing down onto him
It was said that, while on the ground, the officer fired back, hitting Jamal in the shoulder
If someone was below you, at shot at you, the bullet would enter your body at an upward angle
This wasn't the case, the bullet was lodged in Jamal's shoulder at a downward angle
Therefore saying that,the officer fired at Jamal while standing straight up
So therefore, Jamal killing the officer can be turned into self defense
For some reason, this evidendece was thrown out.....?
Many witnesses who testified against Jamal, after the trial said that they were paid or black mailed by the government into giving the jury the story provided to them

This is just some of the inconsistencies, I do not know everything about the case

That information right there is enough for me to believe that this was a very "shady" conviction
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