Pete Doherty Vs. The World
 

I am one of 2 people that i know that see no problem in Pete Doherty. The other is (Ledzep)Stu.

Earlier today he was let off charges of possesion of class a drugs with only community service. The media have just been arse-****ed with no lube.

What is he doing ANY different to the likes of Elton John, Eminem, John Lennon, Velvet Revolver etc who took/are taking drugs throughout their career?

He wrote an award winning album in one night. the man is a ****ing genius who has a vice for something we see as taboo, so ****ing what. One more bandwagon the savage media have created for people to hop on.

Don't get me wrong, i understand some people have a problem with drug-abuse, but thats no excuse for people to not try and listen to the libertines etc, which believe it or not some people i know have done!!

Cornered, the boy DID kick out at the world, you know the rest.

I don't care for his drug abuse don't think less or more of him because. I just think hes an overrated twat who makes bad music.

sorry, didnt realise you knew him personally.

Notice how I said "overated" twat, you really can't use my own words against me if you're going to edit it as you see fit. Hes not some amazing poetic genius, hes a junkie and a mediocre rockstar.

And I know plenty who have bought tickets to watch that pillock perform his mediocre pap, and naturally, he didn't show up. Cúnt.

i may have gotten to a wrong start with them, all i kept hearing about was their "scandalous" bad boy behaviour, and then when i first heard their music it was this really poppy singalong crap.....i thought it would be like at least hard rock or summat......so i dissmissed them......i fucking hate babyshambles though....that i listened to and really thought was just bland crap....

how does that affect what you said. overrated describes his music, twat his personality, so surely thats means to omit?

Read Franscar's post, I think thats proof of him being a twat.

I wouldn't turn up if it meant ****ing kate moss.

He merely uses drugs because the publicity will help hide the fact that hes a no talent hack.

Agreed. The guy makes one halfway decent album and suddenly he's a God?

Can`t sing to save his life.

Every Babyshambles track i`ve heard usually gets the same response.....

"Hmmm that just sounds like a really bad version of a *insert 90s Britpop band here* song.

oh well, everyones entitled to their opinions i spose... opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one, just some don't stand to as close as scrutiny as others.

says he who is a fan of such bands as the cribs - a band who's livelyhood depends on making "poppy singalong crap".

Oi Stu

Empty your PM box , I have a favor to ask

ok done

hmm...well, i don't own the cribs album, and have subsequently been quite disgusted by them, but at least they didn't have some bad boy reputation...which was my original point...their music really doesn't fit their image....and that put me off.....but i still think their music is nothing special....

the libertines were all about the shambolic, hedonistic facade - hence the name the "libertines". their music was a reflection of their zest for life and excess. they werrent "bad boys", they were young men living life to its shambolic full. its why some people like me love them, and others hate them. it depends what your outlook on music is.

i don't hate them, i just think their music does not merrit their success and cult status....is all.....

to be honest, i dont mind if people do hate them because i can see where their coming from. on the other hand, to me their fun, exuberant and wild, characteristics i feel were sadly lacking in british music up until the release of Up the Bracket. they put life back into the scene and like them or not you cannot fault them for that - nor the influence they've had. plus, i personally can identify with doherty and barats lyrics - which is important to me.

It's an old thread, but I just know if I started a new one, then some smart arse twat would have posted a link to this one.

http://www.itv.com/news/entertainment_304397.html

He has a face like a smacked arse and I hate him.
I despise useless no-marks like this dick, Pete Doherty.
It's about time someone put this loser out of his misery. I really hope they throw away the key...but I doubt it. :(

it pisses me off when people label him as talentless - because that is a load of bullshit. Yes, he's turned into a drugged up mess, i condone the use of drugs and my respect for him has dwindled dramatically because of it - he is a disgrace. yet he is in my opinion one of the best songwriters of the past 6 years. his lyrics-deep, witty and so very true. listen to "tell the king" or "death on the stairs". if he werent a junkie the public would idolise him by now and the libertines would be the biggest band in the country. its tragic because the two albums they released are superb - and the babyshambles album is just the aural equivalent of somebody ruined by drugs. if anyone needed a lesson in why to stay away from drugs then this is it.

I'm glad you answered this LedZepStu as I was interested in how you felt about him now (after re-reading your earlier posts).
I don't think he's talentless, on the contrary and this is why I hate him so much.
I'm not a big fan of his, but I do agree he has/had talent. That's the annoying thing about this sorry excuse for a man...wasted talent, an unforgivable crime.

you have these bands now doing the whole "social observation" thing, who kicked off this craze? yes, the libertines. they are the most important british band of this decade (forget the arctic monkeys)...its just a shame their reputation and image is forever going to be tainted by one tragic man's addictions.

have you possibly considered the fact that his talent lies in drug abuse? i guarantee you that if he wasn't on drugs, his music would have been even more crappy than it already is.

Nah...your a stoner and look at the state of your posts. ;)

oh..heavy burn....one for the books i would say...

His lyrics are hardly anything special, one of the best out of the past six years? Hell no, theres been much more talented songwriters around since then. Frank Turner (million dead), Jerry Jones (trophy scars), Geoff Rickly (thursday), also Drew Speziale and Kathy Coppola of Circle Takes The Square are writing some of the best lyrics i've ever seen. He certainly isn't that great, and is an okay songwriter at best. I wouldn't consider him a great at it, his lyrics aren't any better then many of the bands out today. Hes also a horrible vocalist.

have you heard the EPs before up the bracket? HELL he wasnt even an addict on Up the Bracket. know the facts before you say something like that.

matter of opinion. i and others think he is one of hell of a songwriter. poetic and to the point at the same time. and he cant sing? I dont think he set out to be another Russell Watson, his style fits with their type of music, nobodies ever stated he's a great vocalist.

I like the libertines, not the greatest thing ever but I can sit down and listen to an album and not be disspointed. It's a shame that Pete decided to mess up something good.

It has to be said while I can understand why people think The Libertines are good , I cannot for the life of me work out why ANYONE would rate Babyshambles. It`s a bloody horrible record.

correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't they singing about their drug abuse on up the bracket?

I'm not speaking of you in particular just people in general but, I find it ironic that people like pete and travis meeks and other druggies that have basically ruined their lives are look down upon. While people like Brad Nowell and Layne Stayley are mourned and idolized.

Up the Bracket speaks of drug abuse in general, Doherty was not on heroin or crack upon recording this album. it was after in all the publicity they were getting that he got lured into it. he wrote all the songs for it clean. and their the best songs he's written. so to say he produces all his best work while high is bullshit

i completely agree.It irritates how he is pillaried and made a scapegoat for something that is so common in the rock industry. theres others much worse. at the same time what can you say about his behaviour apart from the fact its disgraceful?

and you know all of this because you were his personal friend whilst he was making the record? just because it all went public AFTER the record, doesn't mean they weren't shooting up during the recording....and i find it hard to believe that they didn't...

i go by what ive heard from carl barat in interviews. and why would he lie? what would he gain out of that when their drug use is well documented?

plus read the autobiography

adidasss, you have a point about drugs playing a creative part in making music.
The Beatles being an obvious case in point.
They went from being suit wearing popsters to psychedelic pioneers all on the back of mind altering drugs.
But Doherty has obviously lost the plot big time, he's not just experimenting with drugs, they have completely taken over.
To be filmed injecting heroin into a young fans veins is unforgivable. I really don't care anymore, how much talent this man has, or how much potential he had (had being the operative word). He's lost control and I have no sympathy for him whatsoever and I certainly wouldn't describe it as tragic.

Plain and simple...the man's a twat!
He got what he deserved, as did Lennon for ending up with that living nightmare, Yoko fucking Ono.
A clear case for not doing drugs if ever I saw one.