How is it that you're on a board dedicated to discussing music and you act like you've never had a debate before?

That post made no sense whatsoever.

I mentioned all the bands that we had that were better in several diffrent arguments. Quit lying Boo boo, you've lost. You can't refute, i've stayed on topic. Why don't you go listen to some more scale runs (<~~~Thats an attempt to start a flame war)

So, what bands are better than who is factual now and not just your opinion?

A little hypocritcal methinks. :rolleyes:

I personaly dont think any of those bands are really better than The Beatles, but you dont see me trying to convice you that you are wrong by going on in excruciating detail about everything that makes a band better, because thats pretty f*cking pointless.

Almost like what this arguement has been reduced to because you keep responding to my statements like i just killed your dog or something.

And most of the music i listen to isnt what you would call "technical" music, so i dont even know what kind of person you think i am.

Trying to persuade someone to your point of view and trying to force it upon them as fact are two different things. You can have a debate without deciding which view is "right" and which view is "wrong." In fact, when talking about something as subjective as music, most arguments don't have a clear winner.

Sure, because you spent the whole time insulting our intelligence for disagreeing with you, and immediately shooting down anything anyone said using flawed logic.

I really don't see how britian wins on that one band alone, because it has seemed to be the only one you continually mention over and over and if it was America Vs. The Beatles, then i'm sure you'd be singing a different tune.

Nah, the purpose of forums is mostly trying to convince other people they are wrong and getting into arguements, almost everybody embodys that attitude weither they know it or not, i only post on these forums due to having way too much free time on my hands.

Well I guess some people are better at not being assholes about it.

I could compare many different bands, The Beach Boys vs The Stones, Velvet Underground vs The Who, The Grateful Dead vs Led Zeppelin, The Doors vs Pink Floyd, CCR vs Black Sabbath, Frank Zappa vs David Bowie, Nirvana vs The Clash, Jefferson Airplane vs The Kinks, Santana vs Cream, Talking Heads vs The Sex Pistols, REM vs The Smiths, Lynyrd Skynyrd vs The Police, Pearl Jam vs The Cure, Alice Cooper vs Elton John, Guns N Roses vs Radiohead and Aerosmith vs Queen and it would all still end with the UK winning.

Im not saying this proves anything, but it isnt any less valid than what any of you have been saying, such as some good metal bands make the USA better than a country that has spawned what is argubly the most important band of the 20th century.

Boo Boo is clearly Delusional so i'll ask Crow and Explative, have I not listed bands that give us clear and away grounding in the genres their in?

Did I not say he continues to harbor this Beatles point (which he continued to do in the only post he's responded to me in)

Is it me, or is the sense im making being ignored?

Yes, Yes and I do believe its getting ignored.

James Brown - Certainly, but his influence is primarly on funk and r&b, while The Beatles and The Stones had more diverse influence on different genres.


Prince - Great musician, he has made some great pop songs, but compare him to someone like David Bowie, he has been far more consistant works, greater longetivity, he has made more classic albums, and he has more influence on modern music, argubly.

Bruce Spingsteen - Theres no one i can really compare him to, so i wont try, but that still dosent give the US a clear victory.

Paul Simon - With Simon And Gurfenkel, then yes not many can compare, as a solo artist theres many who have had more significence to popular music, though he did help introduce worldbeat music to western audiences, Peter Gabriel also played a part in that as well.

The Pixies - In terms of alternative rock, UK have The Smiths, who are clearly greater, a better choice would have been The Talking Heads.

Soundgarden - Are you kidding me?...They cant touch most of the UK acts i have mentioned.

Mos Def - Of all the great american rap artists, thats all you got?

Al Green - Ok, i wont argue with this, his influence is huge.

Ray Charles - ^ Read above statement.

I never said US didnt have some standout artists, because everybody already knows that isnt true dammit, you keep taking what i say out of context, Bruce Springsteen and Al Green dosent make US better than a country that has had The Beatles, The Stones, The Who, The Clash, etc.

I don't see the connection. Sure, the two were popular Alt bands, but they don't even belong to the same genre.

Ok, Radiohead then?

Pixies influenced Radiohead, but Radiohead are argubly greater.

The Smiths are alternative now ?

:laughing:

Why not?...What would you call them then?

Any rock band who dont easly fall into any other category could be easly considered alternative rock.

I didn`t say it was wrong I just find it funny.

They`re pop to me , pure & simple.

Well, pop itself itsnt as much as a genre as a simple category, every genre has a good deal of pop elements, especialy punk rock, and most alternative rock bands do a have a pop sound, while managing to make something different that what is presented by the meainstream, which is pretty much what The Smiths did.

It`s nothing to do with sound really.

The Smiths had more mainstream attention than U2 did at the time they were around.

I just find it funny thats considered alternative

Well, thats just the way it works a guess.

But not every band thats popular qualifys as pop music.

I guess a good way to look at this is (and no, I did not read 38 pages of this thread) nobody is right... I believe boo boo has said in many of his posts...

arguably...

Yep. You can argue. But if someone truly believes something, an online forum argument won't change their mind (of course I can't speak for everyone in every forum, but generally- agreed?) - especially when the argument is based on opinion.

Someone said "Both can learn from each other" - I couldn't agree more.

It's really unimpressive to choose one country over the other based on a list of your favorite bands. Focusing on 1/100000 of the big picture and characterizing the whole based on it? Yeaaah....this thread is making some of you look really bad.

To the hipsters: when someone says they listen to indie, I bet you have a general idea what they are talking about.

the term "indie" is so broad, it's unholy.

I dont think anyones saying US and UK are superior to every other country...But we do know more acts from those 2 nations more than any more country...It dosent make them better, because it could very well be the fact that americans and brits alike are underexposed to a lot of music from around the word.

There may be many great bands from say Finland, but not many people would be able to name 10 of them unless.

A. They looked it up.
B. They actualy live in Finland.

But its not like everyone here are so closeminded that they dont appreciate other countrys for their musical talents.

A lot of people here could name at least 10 artists they like that are from a country other than the UK and the US.

Arguing with boo boo again! haha.
I havent even read this argument aside from the first couple posts, and I am betting that I can guess how it turned out:

After a series of long winded posts, someone became fed up with him, and said they didnt want to go on anymore, at which boo boo claimed he had won the argument.

I`m just doing by my own experiences.

I remember them being in magazines like Smash Hits along with Micheal Jackson & Madonna , I remember them being on the same TV shows as Duran Duran & Spandau Ballet. They wrote traditional english guitar pop just like the likes of The Beatles , the Kinks & The Jam before them. To me they`re pure pop.

A lot of rock bands get that kind of coverage, theres a thin line between rock and pop, and it is possible to be both.

Whatever, i take it since Urban is back he will be reclaiming his shift of defending the brits since thats basicly what i have been doing all day, im out for now, have fun, peace.

Yeah but alternative?

Alternative to what exactly?

Pop Metal? :D

And a lot of the shiiiete that was being made at the time.

Maybe I look at it differently being from the UK

I mean the US doesn`t really have any pop culture in the way that the UK does.

I mean what was the last U.S. guitar band who were unashamedly pop?

The Beach Boys?

...Maroon 5?

OK


I mean what was the last good U.S. guitar band who were unashamedly pop?

Uh...Blondie maybe.

New wave

...Which was pop.

I know i`m just being arguementative.

Someone is bound to at some point.

I'm just going to pick up on this because I had to say something about it when I read it. If you think about it, Elvis inspired so many musicians, that then inspired other musicians, that then inspired other musicians that then inspired the musicians we have today. They probably don't realise it but a large percentage of the musicians we hear today wouldn't be out there if it wasn't for Elvis.
I can't remember who said this, but a previous poster pointed out what I have been saying all along and got his point across much better. The British have taken American music and built on it to make it better, which always made us one step ahead of the game. The Americans are better influences, but in my eyes the British are better at making music. Maybe the tide will change someday and the Yanks will build from the Brits' music, but until that day comes we will always be one step ahead of you.

This statement appears hypocritical to me. Am I alone?

Are you kidding me? James Brown had more influence on the stones than the stones had on other people. And wtf man, lay off the GD beatles, we know their influential, no ones arguing that point.

Prince is less influential than Bowie? I don't know where "influential" ended up in this argument, but frankly, Prince has been more prolific, experimental and successful in a short time than bowie and he can blow him out of the water concerning musicianship...I don't even like Prince.

You don't need some British mashup, and im well aware The Boss doesn't give the US a clear victory, just as I've never said The Beatles give you a clear victory.

Why are The Smiths clearly greater? on what grounds? I personally think the smiths are trash, and I didn't say Talking Heads because I already mentioned them, you must have been hiding from me back when I posted that.

Mos Def is probably the greatest rapper in the states right now on the grand scale. What do you mean "thats all you have?"

Everything else is negligible, and quit thinking this is a point for point game, just because there are better bands than Soundgarden doesn't mean their not good.

Hi Hobo Jesus!
 

If you're hitch-hikin' I'll give you a ride back to heaven (if it exists!)

Of course Brit music is better. But for a laugh, check out a world cup hopeful "Chant Like An English Fan" (sung to the Bangles Walk Like An Egyptian") it'll keep you smiling: dubya x 3 dot theladdz.com

I have to admit I've heard MUCH worse over the years, but... based on that it'll probably get played a lot on the radio!