The Yanks do have Chet Atkins. I finally got some of his work and it is great.

But look on the bright side Brits, you don't have to put up with a billion love songs with a country accent over them (hyperbole)

No, a lot of brit bands were influenced by most of the early rock n roll artists...So instead of pointlessly listing them all its easier to say all the big name rock n roll musicians influenced the british invasion in some way.


HOWEVER...The british invasion bands took their rock n roll influence and made it way bigger, and many of them have had a longer lasting influence than the artists who influenced them.

For example, Carl Perkins and The Everly Brothers were big influences on The Beatles, Link Wray and Eddie Cochran was a big influence on The Who and Howlin Wolf and Robert Johnson were big influences on The Stones, but you would have to be out of your damn mind to think they match those bands in direct influence AND impact.

Yet, you don't listen which country they're all from like you did with your little "well they were all influenced by UK bands" rant, which is lame as hell because if those UK bands we're influenced by american bands your logic is very contradictry.

Thats the difference between direct and indirect influence.

Indirect influence is when bands influence bands who influence other bands, but just because Chuck Berry influenced The Stones dosent mean everyone influenced by The Stones are influenced by Chuck Berry, or even like Chuck Berry.

Im talking mainly about direct influences, and what bands mean the most to the modern music community.

^ You are full of sh*t. I'm sorry, I've really tried to hold off saying anything about it. You just don't take the hint from the other members who try to tell you this. You use influence as a substitute for greatness when it benefits your side of the argument... however, if someone else does it you write them off. If you continue doing this, no one will respect your opinions anymore. You will lose all credibility.

Excuse me who the hell are you again?...Im losing credibility?...Arent you the guy who tried to give No Doubt credit for what the jamacians have been doing since the 60s?

You obviously dont know what im talking about, im not even saying bands like The Who and The Kinks are greater than Chuck Berry and Little Richard (god forbid me i would be wrong) but simply that their impact is more present today, and their direct influence on different musicians has been more consistant, plus they have had greater longativity musical quality wise...Im just saying that while rock n roll might have begun in this country, todays bands owe it more to the british invasion than the original rock n roll movement, and its pretty much been that way for 40 years.

I've got to say, I can see what others mean by their arguments against you.

I'm just going to talk about the Beatles and Stones here, although I'm aware there are plenty of other bands. It doesn't really matter though, its a general point that maybe needs to be cleared up. If you disagree then lets have it!

The most valid point of the argument (and I suppose this will be taken as arguing for the American side here) is that although many contemporary American bands may cite the two Beatles and/or the Rolling Stones as their main influences, these bands and their styles were most influenced by American music. You can't say that these American musicians are indirect influences, because the Beatles and Rolling Stones are still incredibly popular and listened-to bands by non-musicians as well as musicians. Most people in the world would probably count their music itself as being more important than their influence on other bands. Thus, the musicians who influenced the Beatles/Stones music are still important as influences, because they influenced music which lots of people still listen to everyday.

beatles. led zeppelin. pink floyd. cream. beatles. kinks. hendrix experience was a british band, jimi started recording in britain. the who.

And The Beatles and The Stones have done just that with their own influence, im basicly saying more people were inspired to start a band because of The Stones than there were people who were inspired to start a band because of Little Richard.

Thats what i was trying to say but no one will listen.

I agree with that.

No. I was the one that pointed out the Jamaicans were doing it. Try again.

Are we really talking about impact? If it weren't for the likes of... Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Bo Diddley, Jackie Brenson (and the Delta Cats), Bill Haley and the Comets, Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Howlin' Wolf, B.B. King, The Everly Bros. the genre wouldn't exist as we know it... it wouldn't have turned into the things we all love. The fact that the genre is still alive and kicking is the resonation of their impact. Let me tell you something. All bands owe it to these pioneers. ALL. Every rock band that exists, and ever will exist owes it to those people. That's a fact. Is it a fact that bands today owe it more to the bands of the British Invasion? No. That's speculation. Conjecture. Your opinion. You aren't apart of every band. You can't decide this for them. What I'm doing is stating a fact. I don't have to be part of every band in existence to say it, either.

No im pretty sure you were the one who listed Ska as a reason for why the US is better...When neither country really deserves the credit.

Also, did you not remember what i said before?...If you really want to trace it back to the 50s, then why not go even further?

Also, who do Radiohead have more in common with?...The Beatles or Chuck Berry?

wow
 

Wow, this is one long thread. I'm not too certain who is "better" but I know I love music from both sides of the pond. I mean we (UK) have great bands like Gomez, whereas they (US) have great bands like Incubus. I don't know enough about music pre-1995 ish (I'm too young :) ), so I'm not going to argue about The Beatles etc.

BUT to say that the US owns the UK because of genres like Hip Hop is just stupid. We don't have much of a hip hop scene here (well, not that I know of), mainly because most MC's go into UK garage or other similar genres. See Dizzie Rascal etc. I love some of the stuff produced by Dangermouse, so I can see the attraction of hip-hop but most is now commercial ****e.

Anyway, US > UK in terms of population so it's kinda unfair don't you think?

No. I was the first one who said neither country deserves the credit. I'll quote it for you if you can't read. I did say America had ska first. I did say ska was influenced by American swing and jazz. I did say ska was a genre that the US does better. I still believe that to be true.

Are you an idiot? The 50's is when the genre that we know as rock and roll was born. This is not opinion. This is fact. That's why I trace it back to the 50's to the guys that started it all. If I want back before the 50's, it would only strengthen my argument - the Brits don't hold a candle to American Music for over the first half of the 20th century. So if you would really like me to trace it back further I can - and will be happy to do so.

Radiohead is English. If someone asked you which people are more alike - and the line up included 2 people that have grown up around each other their whole lives, and another guy from a different country - who would you pick? Radiohead also lists Miles Davis as a major influence in their music (among others British and American) Now, it's common logic that they would be influenced by English bands more than American bands because they grew up in England.

Radiohead is also not the only modern band. So I see what you were trying to do - trying to get me to answer an obvious question and then using my answer against me - as "You see! I was right" - no. That question is esoteric. Stop being an idiot.

This is so pointless and so circumstantial. Although it is fun to see people being called idiots. By virtue of that alone we should keep up this banter.

you need to srew off some where alright you F*ucking moron so back the F*uck off


whose got better techno and electronica???

Yeah, cause instead of an actual music debate lets just close this thread and continue discussing dream theater in every thread!

are we acually agreing ethan????

you going to answer the damn question or do i have to pull teeth to get this thread resurected!!!!!!!!

Well, we have DJ Shadow and Moby, but the brits have Aphex Twin. :love:

My two cents? "Let go, it's over, nobody listens to techno". I guess its em's two cents

Obviously some people listen to Techno otherwise this conversation wouldn't have been brought up. And don't listen to Eminem, he's a twat.

Most people in the music biz are twats, what kind of excuse is that?

I listen to Eminem, big deal.

I do love a lot of electronica though, i have been a diehard Bjork fan for a good while, i have gotten into DJ Shadow lately, and i have a soft spot for Moby. :o:

I don't mean about not listening to Eminem's music, I mean the messages he puts across. Like pretending he's down with Tupac, saying he's the best and running his mouth. I know lots of people in the music industry are twats and I dislike them aswell. It just so happens that I have always disliked Eminem as a person and now I dislike his music to. Twat.

I meant it as a joke. She did have to post it two times

BRITISH ALL THE WAY,
though american music can be very good too: Bob Dylan and Elvis

I know this threads old but I'm bored.
 

Yeah, to the point that we argue and fight, 'til somebody gets killed over it. I'd say for genuin imagination, the Brits get it. But for the actual (I don't wanna say skill, damnit what's the word)adroit grit, Americans basically have more balls. Now that's not to say there's never been a british band to dump a load in ya' earlobe. But even they tend to come here to express themselves, whether it's to get an American label or just because we're more into the (for lack of a better word) controversy.

Close,

Britain:
Led Zeppelin
Black Sabbath
Iron Maiden

United States:
Metallica
Megadeth
Iced Earth
Pantera

Germany:
Blind Guardian

Australia:
AC/DC

I guess the U.S.

^ Hey, I think you forgot to mention 'Rammstein' for Germany. They're MASSIVE!!!

http://www.onkelz-forever.de/files/g...stein_logo.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...methrowers.jpg

Rammstein's cool. I can't pick up on all of it, but enough to context it.

You know German?

I have to read the lyrics in English.

I still think that America's scene is MUCH better that the English at the moment.

^ Why do you think that?

There are some very good English rock bands out at the moment, and you know it.

I take that quote as 'Favouritism'.

Ok, and there are better American bands.

Your opinion.

Your opinion. Why are you arguing again?

I'm not.

the american bands i know and like are amazing.. better than (most) british, however in terms of quantity, Britain wins.

but that may be because i know the british scene inside out.

i dont think you can compare them really. they each have some awesome bands and millions of ****e ones.

It's a close call, but i like more british bands than i do american bands, and the americans aren't generally as diverse.

Plus, you know, The Smiths.