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Well at least you know who he is. There's nothing worse than Pink Floyd 'fans' who don't know who David Gilmour or Roger Waters are. Except maybe trendy emokids.
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difficult choice, im not the patriotic type, but i do think america wins this but closely. Someone said earlier that american music isn't as experimental?? And too formulaic? That isn't really true, unless your speaking about our metal, which it sucks, i know. But, listen to Sonic Youth compare to Pink Floyd, then you'll find the answer. I love Pink Floyd, but listen to their music, and you'll find its very structured and formulaic, and not near as experimental as bands like Sonic Youth, Mars Volta, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Fugazi, etc. The only english bands that I can think of that are almost as equally experimental are King Crimson, Soft Machine, Allan Holdsworth, and Mahavishnu but Mahavishnu has more Americans than Brits. But Britain has brought us great rock n' roll, so in that dept., they win, Jazz and Blues goes to the America, Folk- Britain wins, Experimental American wins, Country- America wins, Pop- Britain wins, Punk rock- I'm going to say America on this because of the multitude of scenes and great bands coming from that scene, i.e. Black Flag, The Ramones, Minor Threat, etc. So, I believe that America wins this one.
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I preffer Brittish music, but that's just me.
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The closeness of this competition must show that, per capita, the Brits are way better than Americans at music! There are five times more Americans than Brits, so they should have five times more good bands than us! But do they? No.
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Well that might also be where their downfall lies. There are fewer British artists, so there are fewer crap artists. There are more American artists, so there are more crap American artists. It might just seem that America are worse at making music because they have more of a chance to fail.
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If that were true there would be more good American bands too so that would balance it out.
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I know I realise this but looking at my collection I prefer many more American bands than I do English ones. It's just that the English bands that I do own albums of kick so much arse that it overshadows all the American bands in my collection. I'm trying to raise points for both sides of the argument here. I still prefer British music, but it is a pretty close competition.
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I think it`s more down to exposure than anything.
America seems very conservative when it comes to music , hence it`s charts full of hip hop , R&B & rock and very little else. The UK seems to enjoy looking for new things.And bands that do something a little different seem to become popular, case in point Massive Attack. They were really the first band to mix Hip Hop , Electronica , Reggae , Dub & Dance Music.Blue Lines was probably the biggest selling UK album when it came out. You just don`t see that happening in America. |
I think that sometimes Britain has to work harder to get itself out of America's shadow, which makes it, as a whole, better at music. Case in point-rap. America does Rap so much better than the UK, and when British rap really kicked in and became a big thing you could see that most of the rappers had styles borrowed from American artists-which is pretty hard to do in the rap game. So then you get people like Mike Skinner who realise this and do something original (I'm not saying it's good) with the genre, and this gives a much needed boost to all the stereotypical British rappers out there who couldn't get past the 'hooded yobo' phase. This is only a minor case, but you can see that some of our best artists have tried to do something original with a very American formula and have turned it into something very unique and British. We borrow from the yanks and make it better.
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Being very much an outsider of both nations I can see what Urban is saying.
If you said American music I know exactly what to think. Little fiddy cents in their masses, a few hundred thousand britneys, and some worse for wear metalheads. When you say Britain though, my mind draws blanks. There is no one conclusion. First I think of Radiohead and then garage rock bands come to mind, a crap load of indie then shows up and last you know theres bound to be some pop floating around too. Britain FEELS like a mixed bag. You don't know whats going to be the next big thing over there. Yet 20 buks says a hip hop/rap artist will, again, be the next big thing in America. |
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I agree both are the tip of the iceberg scenarios. What I was implying was the UK seems a whole lot more versatile, taking nothing away from the Mars Voltas of America and the likes of, but I still feel the UK has that wee bit more movement happening in their industry. It is that indie experimentation that will be more likely to ignite something huge, then the passing trends of maybe hip/hop.
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2. Not so much passing, that was probably the wrong word, as it has solid foundations that are probably here to stay. But America has trends. I hope this doesn't come across as too obscure but think of it as avalanches and rivers. America is the avalanche. As soon as something triggers popularity in the us, the industry is mothered, absolutely mothered with a massive blanket of similar artists. (Eminem and Dre are good examples of this triggering). Once the market is covered in these artists it stays fairly dormant for sometime. Theres some on the side things happening (like the mars volta) but not for a long time does the next Eminem come along. The UK is the river, a steady flow of artists, which may not be as epic as the avalanche, but are consistantly keeping the industry ticking over. Keeping it fresh. Keeping the ideas alive. |
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Depends what you like I spose.
To me most american indie is still generic guitar rock |
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And to Urban, America has much more than just generic guitar rock. And North America as a whole has THE MOST incredible indie music scene...IMO |
Merk I see what you mean about Hip-Hop being a phase that America is going through, but to be honest I can't really see it ending.
And Expletive, in my opinion Britain does have the best Indie bands. That's not to take anything away from American Indie bands, but over here in Britain we recognise talent more. Bands can go from being nobody's to stars in the space of a week, all down to their talent. In America you seem to waste the talent that you have, setting them aside to make way for the next generic RnB singer or another one of 50's bull**** songs. |
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Just because the majority of stupid Americans can't recognize that our bands are good, doesn't mean we don't have amazing bands. How much recognition they get says nothing of a band's actual talent. |
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Is this Brit vs Yanks all-time, or just now? Like I said earlier, all-time it's a draw (depending on what kind of music you prefer, either could win), but right now I'd say America is winning by a long shot. |
there is no draw, thats a stupid answer thats being used to escape arguing or really thinking about it. and to be honest i see nothing wrong with either of those bands mentioned.
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I just don`t think American indie is that innovative
I mean look at some of the indie movements that came out of North America... Grunge - Just Black Sabbath riffs with a punk influence Elephant 6 - Basically rewriting old Beatles/Beach Boys songs Hardcore/Emo - Basic punk influenced guitar rock when it comes down to it Post Rock - Nothing more that Krautrock bands & Eno were doing in the 70s Garage rock - Has been around for decades anyway Electroclash - Nothing more than rewritten early 80s British synth pop. Alt Country - Guitar bands playing Country music , thats been done since the 60s. And the current crop of guitar bands do nothing more than rehash a New Wave/Talking Heads style of music. Compare that to the best British indie where bands mix & match influences of all different types to create something new. I`m not saying it doesn`t happen in America , but it happens in Britain a lot more often. |
I never thought about this. I judge music by its qualities and not by nationalities. I don't even chose good music related to an artist or an album. I love a good song ...
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And the two bands I mentioned are boring, derivative, and generic. Urban, besides completely ignoring some of the US' best and most experimental bands, all genres can be just as easily simplified as you just did so that really says nothing about American Indie at all. Most of those were hardly Indie "movements," anyways. |
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If there are any around i`ve certainly not heard them lately , like I said i`m not saying there isn`t any around i`m saying that if they were British they would have a lot more attention more quickly because the British music industry and British audiences are more open to it.Which was the basis of my original post anyway. |
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I think its close between the UK and US, theres a lot of great modern music out today, from both sides of the atlantic...UK have Radiohead, Oasis, Blur, Muse, MSP, Cooper Temple Clause, Super Furry Animals, The Verve, Mogwai, PJ Harvey, Stereophonics and Artic Monkeys and the US have The Flaming Lips, The White Stripes, The Mars Volta, My Morning Jacket, Rilo Kiley, Beck, Wilco, Explosions In The Sky, Neutral Milk Hotel,The Strokes and Tool. As for Canada, i think Murder Junkie is very wrong, theres already some great bands coming out of Canada, primarly The Arcade Fire, New Pornographers and Godspeed You! Black Emperor...Those 3 more than make up for Nickelback. |
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