The Official Best Guitarist Thread (jimi hendrix, member, classic, talent)

blastingas10 · 11-09-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Yes, but all of them follow templated patterns which are pioneered for them.

It's music! Of course people follow a template. But there are so many different note and chord combinations and so many different things you can do with that template. Mr. Haino is just trying to be experimental and different. Any good guitarist could play like him, but they'd have to sacrifice their musicianship.

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Honestly, I think there's something 'beyond notes' going on there

I see what you're saying. He's going beyond the conventions of music. It's just not my cup of tea. My retarded brother plays like that when he occasionally picks up my guitar. I've even told him before, "You're redefining the way the guitar is played."

TockTockTock · 11-09-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Any good guitarist could play like him, but they'd have to sacrifice their musicianship.

You mean they would have to sacrifice most of what they know about conventional music and start almost completely over. You see... not many people are capable of doing that. So, no, not any "good guitarist" could play like him.

blastingas10 · 11-09-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

You mean they would have to sacrifice most of what they know about conventional music and start almost completely over. You see... not many people are capable of doing that. So, no, not any "good guitarist" could play like him.

Ya i guess we might as well sacrifice the conventional way of walking and start crab walking.

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Yeah, incest will do that to you.

As for Phantom, I get what you're saying. To an extent, I get the vibe you kind of are intrigued by his playing style. However, I would argue whether somebody could, or couldn't, it doesn't matter.

Go to an open mic night, or a local blues band. Ask people to play some Chuck Berry. A large portion of them will probably be able to pull off a song perfectly. Chuck Berry was even a technical revolutionary for his time. HOWEVER, a large portion of guitarists with today's aids can probably learn his songs quite quickly, and be equally proficient. None of them are significant.

It doesn't make them Chuck Berry. Anybody can study any song for a length of time, and learn it on an instrument. But, to pioneer an entire new direction takes talent.

Remember, Haino was doing this kind of thing in the late 70s throughout the 80s. Guitar work of the traditional sense was getting stale as ****. Somebody has to atleast admire him for having the balls to actually do something different, not just play 'middle aged old fart' blues, and yell 'all them damn kids don't know nothing' after 20 years of going nowhere with it.

He sucks. There's a reason why nobody plays like that, because it sounds like ****.

TockTockTock · 11-09-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

Ya i guess we might as well sacrifice the conventional way of walking and start crab walking.

... Huh?

blastingas10 · 11-09-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Pat

... Huh?

There's a reason why we walk on 2 feet, because its the right and most profecient way to do it. The same reason why we have music theory and conventional ways of playing music. You do not have to completely abandon how to conventionally play your instrument in order to do something innovative and highly creative.

TockTockTock · 11-09-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

There's a reason why we walk on 2 feet, because its the right and most profecient way to do it. The same reason why we have music theory and conventional ways of playing music.

Not really. Walking and making music are two completely different things.

Also... there are pros and cons in both conventional and unconventional music... one is not "better" than another. They just do things differently.

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You do not have to completely abandon how to conventionally play your instrument in order to do something innovative and highly creative.

Nobody is saying that... It's just another way of doing something innovative and highly creative.

blastingas10 · 11-09-2011, 03:52 PM

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Not really. Walking and making music are two completely different things.

Obviously. Clearly you dont get the point.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 11-09-2011, 04:22 PM

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He sucks. There's a reason why nobody plays like that, because it sounds like ****.

And you're saying this on what authority?

blastingas10 · 11-09-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

And you're saying this on what authority?

And you're saying he's good on what authority? He sucks, to me. You think he's good, that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that he sucks.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 11-09-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

And you're saying he's good on what authority? He sucks, to me. You think he's good, that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that he sucks.

I'm saying he's good on the authority that he's a widely acclaimed experimental guitarist, and a veteran of the artform. You are claiming he "sucks" with no real indication other than your extremely ignorant disrespect for experimentation, and blatant close-mindedness.

If you were the chairman of music in the 1920s(a fictional all powerful dictatorial position that I made up for this hypothetical) there would be no blues cause it'd be just 'a bunch of noisey racket with the damn idiots rubbing bottles against their strings. They need to learn how to play.' Because it was exactly the conservative attitude at the time, and it's exactly yours.

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You know, if the concept of music had never been discovered, I think that Keiji and others would still be twanging and plonking away on their guitars because it is natural to mess around with things we don't understand. Remember the first time you ever picked up a guitar? We all had a good bash, and it captured the passion and rebelliousness of our youth. It was emotional. But then someone would say, "no, we don't play like that, we'll damage the guitar. This is how to play a G-Chord". And from there we never looked back.

With your attitude, music would have never really been 'discovered'.

This guy is quite talented, but my amazement comes more from seeing what he's doing than hearing it.