Album Wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Violent & Funky · 07-28-2010, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

I think this new crop of posters have fallen victim to a blight.

Whatchu talkin bout

pcr7155 · 07-28-2010, 06:23 AM

two really good albums from two of the best bands in todays music in my book. can't go wrong either way but i'm siding with the black keys and rubber factory.

TheBig3 · 07-28-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

Whatchu talkin bout

bad pun. Crops get blight like in the potato famine...Nevermind.

What I mean to say is the rampant Stripes hatred is a bad sign of the new times.

debaserr · 07-28-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

bad pun. Crops get blight like in the potato famine...Nevermind.

What I mean to say is the rampant Stripes hatred is a bad sign of the new times.

care to elaborate?

TheBig3 · 07-28-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by trace87

care to elaborate?

Sure, I'll elaborate.

I generally believe, when talking about music, you have to watch for dishonesty. Not that people would outright lie, but that they would allow outside elements to influence their opinion. While this is something of a concern of mine the bigger issue is what it means for music.

I bought WBC's on a scant review and having heard Fell in Love with a girl on the radio. It played like an antidote. You weren't hearing the White Stripes style all over the radio. You didn't have a lot of garage influence out their in the minds of popular culture.

If their first album came out in 1999, in 11 years we've gone to a garage style being the absolute outlier to it being an essential ingredient. Maybe you don't see this as a big issue, but I do and thats what opinions are for after all. When I see statements like "I lived Dead Leaves in the Dirty ground and little else!" I almost want to ask you to elaborate more. How does one find that song sufficient but no other song that they have. On WBC, let alone their catalog.

I suppose to understand where I'm coming from you should know these things...

1. I'm a huge Stripes fan and I think they've done wonders for tilling the musical soil to get more acts exposure.

2. I think the garage style is what I was always told punk was about but never actually saw. Punk seemed to take on a one-ups-manship in their quest for purity. Garage seemed to say purity could not be violated save for its removal. You were doing everything correctly if you didn't edit out flaws.

3. After all this, that I see the Stripes like philosophers. There were garage acts before them, and there are acts after them that I still love. But Jack White to me did a lot to put instruments back into the hands of Janitors and car salesmen who never really saw themselves as being able to "play" because there was this idealized vision of what it was to be a musician.

Again, maybe most of us here didn't have those visions, but we're talking at large here. Jack White to me is the installation of a musical Social Security Program, he made it better for everyone. I think when I discuss the stripes I'm probably always having a different conversation than the person I'm speaking to. I see them as a monolithic, Horatio-at-the-bridge figures and I don't think many others do.

Whether you see them as I do is nothing I pass judgment on, mind you but I'm always going to see them as the think that finally did away with big corporate rock and wasn't able to be co-opted. I firmly believe that Get Behind Me Satan was Jack ducking the reporters from people magazine, saying "hey look, you want to come to me and put my **** in movies, fine, have this." And he played them The Nurse, and it threw the scent.

Longer than I expected, but thats what I was getting at.

Violent & Funky · 07-28-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Sure, I'll elaborate.

I generally believe, when talking about music, you have to watch for dishonesty. Not that people would outright lie, but that they would allow outside elements to influence their opinion. While this is something of a concern of mine the bigger issue is what it means for music.

I bought WBC's on a scant review and having heard Fell in Love with a girl on the radio. It played like an antidote. You weren't hearing the White Stripes style all over the radio. You didn't have a lot of garage influence out their in the minds of popular culture.

If their first album came out in 1999, in 11 years we've gone to a garage style being the absolute outlier to it being an essential ingredient. Maybe you don't see this as a big issue, but I do and thats what opinions are for after all. When I see statements like "I lived Dead Leaves in the Dirty ground and little else!" I almost want to ask you to elaborate more. How does one find that song sufficient but no other song that they have. On WBC, let alone their catalog.

I suppose to understand where I'm coming from you should know these things...

1. I'm a huge Stripes fan and I think they've done wonders for tilling the musical soil to get more acts exposure.

2. I think the garage style is what I was always told punk was about but never actually saw. Punk seemed to take on a one-ups-manship in their quest for purity. Garage seemed to say purity could not be violated save for its removal. You were doing everything correctly if you didn't edit out flaws.

3. After all this, that I see the Stripes like philosophers. There were garage acts before them, and there are acts after them that I still love. But Jack White to me did a lot to put instruments back into the hands of Janitors and car salesmen who never really saw themselves as being able to "play" because there was this idealized vision of what it was to be a musician.

Again, maybe most of us here didn't have those visions, but we're talking at large here. Jack White to me is the installation of a musical Social Security Program, he made it better for everyone. I think when I discuss the stripes I'm probably always having a different conversation than the person I'm speaking to. I see them as a monolithic, Horatio-at-the-bridge figures and I don't think many others do.

Whether you see them as I do is nothing I pass judgment on, mind you but I'm always going to see them as the think that finally did away with big corporate rock and wasn't able to be co-opted. I firmly believe that Get Behind Me Satan was Jack ducking the reporters from people magazine, saying "hey look, you want to come to me and put my **** in movies, fine, have this." And he played them The Nurse, and it threw the scent.

Longer than I expected, but thats what I was getting at.

Yeah.

But have you listened to Rubber Factory? It's kinda cool.

I love the White Stripes but that particular Black Keys album bests them. It's not like the Keys don't also stand for all of the things you posted above. They just don't get featured in magazines like Jack White...

TheBig3 · 07-28-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

Yeah.

But have you listened to Rubber Factory? It's kinda cool.

I love the White Stripes but that particular Black Keys album bests them. It's not like the Keys don't also stand for all of the things you posted above. They just don't get featured in magazines like Jack White...

Did you even read what I wrote?

debaserr · 07-28-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Sure, I'll elaborate.

I generally believe, when talking about music, you have to watch for dishonesty. Not that people would outright lie, but that they would allow outside elements to influence their opinion. While this is something of a concern of mine the bigger issue is what it means for music.

I bought WBC's on a scant review and having heard Fell in Love with a girl on the radio. It played like an antidote. You weren't hearing the White Stripes style all over the radio. You didn't have a lot of garage influence out their in the minds of popular culture.

If their first album came out in 1999, in 11 years we've gone to a garage style being the absolute outlier to it being an essential ingredient. Maybe you don't see this as a big issue, but I do and thats what opinions are for after all. When I see statements like "I lived Dead Leaves in the Dirty ground and little else!" I almost want to ask you to elaborate more. How does one find that song sufficient but no other song that they have. On WBC, let alone their catalog.

I suppose to understand where I'm coming from you should know these things...

1. I'm a huge Stripes fan and I think they've done wonders for tilling the musical soil to get more acts exposure.

2. I think the garage style is what I was always told punk was about but never actually saw. Punk seemed to take on a one-ups-manship in their quest for purity. Garage seemed to say purity could not be violated save for its removal. You were doing everything correctly if you didn't edit out flaws.

3. After all this, that I see the Stripes like philosophers. There were garage acts before them, and there are acts after them that I still love. But Jack White to me did a lot to put instruments back into the hands of Janitors and car salesmen who never really saw themselves as being able to "play" because there was this idealized vision of what it was to be a musician.

Again, maybe most of us here didn't have those visions, but we're talking at large here. Jack White to me is the installation of a musical Social Security Program, he made it better for everyone. I think when I discuss the stripes I'm probably always having a different conversation than the person I'm speaking to. I see them as a monolithic, Horatio-at-the-bridge figures and I don't think many others do.

Whether you see them as I do is nothing I pass judgment on, mind you but I'm always going to see them as the think that finally did away with big corporate rock and wasn't able to be co-opted. I firmly believe that Get Behind Me Satan was Jack ducking the reporters from people magazine, saying "hey look, you want to come to me and put my **** in movies, fine, have this." And he played them The Nurse, and it threw the scent.

Longer than I expected, but thats what I was getting at.

fair enough(i said fell in love with a girl though). garage rock just isn't the genre for me. they have plenty songs that i enjoy hearing from time to time, but i never feel like going out of my way to listen to them. there isn't enough musical meat for me to sink my teeth into. most of their songs end up sounding pretty much the same.

this statement seems a bit overblown. don't people get this "idealized vision" from being inspired from good music in general? who cares if it's janitors or walmart employees or whatever? what difference does it make?

you made quite the monolithic post for me to disect sorry i don't have much more to add then that. i enjoyed it though, thanks!

Violent & Funky · 07-28-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Did you even read what I wrote?

Yeah, basically: you really like garage rock and the Stripes have a special place in your heart, yet, for some reason, you aren't giving The Black Keys any credit. That was pretty much it, right?

midnight rain · 07-28-2010, 01:48 PM

Gonna have to give WBC the vote on this one. Rubber Factory sounds way too samey the whole way through. Not to say the sound they have is bad, it just grates after a while. I think the White Stripes have a far more varied sound. I like Jack's voice better, don't care if it's technically not as good or whatever.

07-28-2010, 06:23 AM	#1612 (permalink)
pcr7155 Groupie Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: No Posts: 3	two really good albums from two of the best bands in todays music in my book. can't go wrong either way but i'm siding with the black keys and rubber factory.

07-28-2010, 01:48 PM	#1620 (permalink)
midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	Gonna have to give WBC the vote on this one. Rubber Factory sounds way too samey the whole way through. Not to say the sound they have is bad, it just grates after a while. I think the White Stripes have a far more varied sound. I like Jack's voice better, don't care if it's technically not as good or whatever.