Music Banter And It’s Hatred of Mainstream Pop Music
 

Why? I have been wanting to debate this for a while and in a thread with senseable posts I hope this can happen. The way I see it is mainstream pop shouldn't be criticized but enjoyed for what is, disposeable, fun music with a few lasting tunes. But alas, most of it gets alot of shit from people who have what they consider a great musical taste and can't enjoy any mainstream pop without dismissing it. See most of these people haven't heard the albums and more often than not have only heard a few of the artists songs, which is what gets my gut. Anyways, please, feel free to post some good lengthy posts that display your opinion on mainstream pop music, so I can tll you that you are wrong. Thankyou.

Nice to see you're finally putting your excellent thread making skills to good use.

No quotes from moi???? :(

I could easily quote the whole argument we had over this in another thread and prove you are wrong right here on the spot, but as I can't be bothered with that I'll just tell you again.

Music shouldn't be disposable.

Talentless twats like Ashlee Simpson shouldn't be getting airplay with annoying and terrible songs.

Because of peoples love for this **** mainstream pop, people like Paris Hilton are being allowed to break into the music industry. Which will no doubt end up with every girl in my school singing along to her songs.

And, above all, it makes me feel superior to people who like this mainstream pop music when I belittle them. All a dude wants is some love...

I can't say i like just about any mainstream pop music, but i can't be arsed to take the piss out of people who do, if they enjoy it and find comfort in it etc, then thats great. Threads like the one about James Blunt are completely unproductive and pointless, who cares if you don't like James Blunt? Theres no point in spreading hatred.

Saying things like '*pop artist* should **** off and die' is immature and unjustified, and the kind of opinion i could only expect from a 5 year old.

Pop artists should **** off and die.

The Kooks are a pop band, essentially. I remember you said you liked them.

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I know when I have been beaten.

I can understand why you think Ashlee Simpson etc aren't good, i don't think theyre good either, but pop ain't all that bad. The Smiths, The Cure, New Order, Super Furry Animals, Blur, the list goes on, they've all written bloody amazing, catchy pop songs. Theres no point taking a whole genre and saying its rubbish.

Yes, I'm not really talking about those though. There should be 2 different genres-that for Ashlee Simpson and the rest of those talentess hoebags, and then one for Blur, The Smiths etc. From now on if I say Pop is **** just no I'm talking about the former category.

And yes I know this is musical snobbishness. But to be honest, I don't care.

^^ Theres pop and then theres pop.

It's because mainstream pop music by the likes of artists such as Britney, Simpson, Aguilera etc etc have been writing the same songs of eather love or broken hearts for over 20 years. It's all they can do to sell, well that and lots of makeup. There is slim to fuck effort involved in this music, yet it gets all the attention while a million other bands, you know, the ones that actually make an effort, starve from the attention they don't get, but actually work to earn.

It's fine to like it, fine to enjoy it, we don't really give a shit. But don't act as if you don't know why people have no respect for it.

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And that reminds me-miming. In my opinion miming should be against the law. They can just get away with performing in a concert that people have paid money to see and lip synch through it. That's not what music is about. For how much these supposed 'artists' get paid, you would expect them to do it properly and not rip off their fans. The reason they do it is because if they performed live they wouldn't be able to have none of the technical wizardry that makes them sound at least average in the recording studio. If they can't sing without the help of a magical machine then they shouldn't be in the business, like Merkaba said, taking up attention that real bands could have.

It`s because half this forum is made up of teenagers still going through their rebellious phase. The type of person who thinks if it`s not metal/emo/punk/rock then it must be rubbish.

Pop has always been disposable , thats it`s nature.There`s no use complaining about it. The way that your average classic rock fan looks down on someone like Shakira is no different to the way that jazz snobs looked down on people like Elvis in the 1950s.Pop isn`t meant to last, thats why fashions in pop come & go so quickly.It`s not meant to be deep , it`s not meant to be clever.It`s about having a good time for 3 minutes in the present day and then forgetting about it.
I like pop & quite honestly I don`t care what anyone says.

I can see your point to some degree, but did you just compare Elvis Presley to Shakira?

And if you consider me a classic rock elitist, then fine... Though i listen to a lot of modern music, Brian Wilson qualifies as pop, right?.. Ok... He's not that modern. ;)

But seriously, i find new bands all the time (Sigur Ros, Mars Volta, Arcade Fire, etc)... I'm just a sucker for old stuff, thats all... Though a real classic rock fan would be someone who likes Journey.


Ewwwww.

Errr no

I was saying the musical snobbery towards them was the same

Thing is, i just find nothing redeeming about her music, i'm sure you'll find that funny coming from a guy who likes a bunch of old fart bands everyone here hates... But meh, if i want to listen to some enjoyable pop.... I'll play some Todd Rundgren instead. ;)

Well the day I walk into a club & have some cute girl in a short skirt dancing sexily next to me to either Todd Rungren or King Crimson i`ll say all pop is worthless.

OK ?

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buy a hooker, the unanimous opinion here is that on the whole modern mainstream pop is disposable, i don't knock people for listening to it and if there's a thread on pop artists i TRY and stear clear of posting in them.
but when we have 15 pop chanels on sky and 3 rock channels, none of which EVER play anything worth listening to, then in the words of mullet man modern pop is just "a clog in the ****ter" (however mullet man was refering to younger angry pop rock bands such as sum41) so yeah. there's moleys two cents.

Why would I want a hooker to dance with someone?

i'm sorry, i thought thew whole point you were making is that modern pop encourages hot women in clubs to allow you to release sexual tension so to speak, it doesn't matter really...the rest of the post is what was on topic.

in some aspects of your arguement i actually agree with you hiu. Some people will openly slag off mainstream pop for being disposable, thoughtless and untalented while they absolutely worship bands like the kooks (thats not a dig at you hobo), it all seems slightly hypocritical to me.

But The Kooks aren't disposable and talentless twats. They get up and perform the songs they are paid to perform, they don't just stand there moving their lips to their CD being played in the background. Ashlee Simpson can't sing, can't perform her own songs and isn't even good at what mainstream pop bases itself on, good looking women. She looks like a transvestite.

the kooks are in essence a mainstream pop band. their music is accesable to a wide audience - young and old. their lyrical content is socio-freindly. their image is manufactured to fit into the new fashion trends. their songs are simplistic.
And not all mainstream pop stars mime. some of them actually have ok voices - which is more than i can say for Luke Pritchard.

Yes, The Kooks are Pop. But they are good Pop. Madonna is good Pop. Even though I don't like Madonna, she goes out and works her arse off and performs the songs she is paid money to. Kelly Clarkson also falls into that category. Ashlee Simpson, Pussycat Dolls and the like are not good Pop. They have nothing in the way of talent, especially Ashlee Simpson. She can't even redeem herself with her looks.

All credit to Madonna, everyone else is a follower compared to her, but she did lyp-sinc her last tour.

Because its the "cool" thing to do.

She lip-synched? Well thats part of my respect for her gone then.

I kinda enjoy a lot of music, but I think most of those artists who can't do anything but shake their stupid ..tts on the stage are DETRIMENTAL. When I look back to the music made in 70's and even the 80's and I look at the crap we're served as music nowadays I just feel like screaming. Maybe some here are a bit too opinated when they're coming against mainstream music, but I think good music should be also promoted, and unfortunately it's not the case

I listen to quite a bit of pop music, that is also more passionate and isn't as disposable. Come by my thread http://www.musicbanter.com/showthread.php?t=16260 or ask me for recommendations (i have plenty), as long as I don't get called a hipster or whatever names you guys like to throw out.

I really don't like our pop forum here. I've said it a couple times, but that forum is predominantly threads involving easy targets for people to come in and raise their post counts. Going into a thread and insulting Avril Lavigne...why bother? I made a Blondie thread in there a while back, I don't think it turned out so well b/c the majority was preoccupied bashing some hollywood idol. Honestly, if I were to post about artists like Katie Melua or Sarah McLaughlin, etc., I'd just come to the general music forum, it'd get more of the proper attention.

Pop isn`t about talent , it`s not about how good you are live. I couldn`t care less if people lip synch or not it`s just a red herring.It`s just not important.

You think a child cares if someone wrote the song or not when they dance to it when it comes on the radio? You think someone cares if someone lip synchs the songs when they play on TV if you`re dancing to it in a club?

It`s supposed to be light , sugary & disposable thats the point.It`s not supposed to get any other reaction out of you than to make you want to dance to it.If you`re judging pop music in the same way you judge somebody like Led Zeppelin or whatever then you`re totally missing the point of it.

I judge all music in the same way, in my eyes that is the only way it should be judged. And I know children don't care, but I don't want to listen to music for children. And I don't think there are any children who post on MB, these are people who should know better than to fight for Ashlee Simpson's corner.

why?

If Ashlee Simpson makes a good catchy pop tune why shouldn`t people say they like it.

You make it sound like it`s a new thing that people come along singing chart friendly pop songs that they didn`t write. Elvis did the same thing you know.

And I hate Elvis.

I don't like most of pop's motive. It makes me sick when people don't give a spit on music and only care about money. I'd be damn nieve if I thought there weren't money driven bastards signed to indie labels. They just seem to care a little more about writing seeing how they havent "made it" yet.

Why blame pop for that.

Hip hop & rock music is just as bad for that.

The rock and hip hop you hear on radio stations are the water downed version of their genres and pop is the even more water downed bands. I'm sorry I can't support a genre that is solely driven by sensationalism. Other genres have their cases of such but that's what pop is, writing songs that the general public will like so people will buy your album.

I think you`ll find that pop has been more traditionally singles based rather than album based.

Thats why there are so many one hit wonders around.

Have you heard the Paris Hilton single? I forget the name of it but it's not half bad.

I have heard it. Isn't it called Screwed or something ironic like that? It was terrible.

Meh, I like some pop, and some of it is garbage, but its not just pop thats garbage. Like, that one Jessica Simpson song with you, is a great song as is Ashlee Simpson's pieces of me & I pretty much love everything Hanson, Busted McFly have put out. Its fun/catchy music, I don't see how people can bash pop music that are huge fans of all that 80s music and stuff.

i dont necessarily hate pop music but i cant say that i really like it either
im sure everyone likes some band/artist that are considered pop or of some pop sub genre
like im absolutely in love with linkin park & new found glory
many people consider them pop-rock or whatever
then again, i cant stand the stuff they play on the radio
& i hate all boy/girl bands
so yeah...im very picky