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Uh. No. See mainstream bands are the definte minority but they are marketed to appeal to the most ammount of people.

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Alo

Most Dutch internet sites suck. And through other sites it will take forever. I hate waiting for a cd. But I do anyway. Sometimes.

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Meh, it kind of balances out, but (IMO) the better ones were on major labels back then. But you still had a bunch of them popping up everywhere doing it DIY style.

Not every indie band does that, and I don't believe i've ever bashed the whole mainstream. I like a bunch of mainstream bands, goin' from Mcfly to Blink. I just listen to mainly from underground bands.

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I guess I'm just missing out on all the great indie bands like TV On The Radio, The Shins, The Kills, Interpol, Modest Mouse, Wolf Parade, You Will Know Us By Trail Of Dead, Guided By Voices, Built To Spill, Cursive and Von Bondies.

To me, it's just a propagonda gimmick to promote what I consider to be a very dangerious philosophy for music, and that's making crappy effortless music "just because you can".

And what makes you think I difine Indie by DCFC?... Granted they do suck ass, but I think there is far worse.

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boo boo

The mainstream is by no means a "minority" anyway you look at it.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Ramones - Sire
Sex Pistols - EMI / A&M / Virgin
The Clash - CBS
Television - Elektra
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Polydor
Buzzcocks - United Artists
Patti Smith - Arista
Dead Boys - Sire
Richard Hell - Sire
Wire - Harvest /EMI
The Slits - Island

In fact from the first few years of punk I can only find 2 important bands on indie labels , Pere Ubu on Rough Trade & The Damned on Stiff records.

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For me, I honestly don't give a damn, I like the band or I don't, I think both underground and mainstream music have a lot of great things to offer, in addition both have a whole lot of crapola, I just feel that underground music suits the latter much more significantly, maybe because there are a lot more crap bands than good ones, while they could be mainstream or underground, it's a obvious fact that there are more underground bands than mainstream ones (which dosen't make the mainstream any less significant), but all in all, underground music is a collection of many different styles... Some of whom I happen to like, this includes Shoegaze, Noise Rock, Dream Pop, Math Rock, Post Punk, etc... And of course, Zeuhl.

Again, Indie is a term, but it's also treated like a genre, and the Indie that I hate is pretty much the most popular. And whatever the hell the bands I just mentioned in my last posts are, thats what I don't like about Indie... However don't take it like I'm calling bands like Sonic Youth and Pixies crap just because I think Modest Mouse sucks, that would be like saying Iron Maiden sucks because of some metal genre like power metal that they're not even a part of... I'm not bracketing all indie together, I'm just talking about the marketable image behind Indie, and how it's presented by Pitchfork, Spin, NME, AP and most other forms of media who try to market it as some kind of youthful act of rebelion, while capitalizing on it at the same time, just like they did with Punk in the 70s and Grunge in the 90s... Punk bands criticized AOR for what they viewed as corperate bands, but as Urban pointed out, that's what punk bands eventually became, some could even argue that punk started out that way, and Grunge started out as underground and was basically Indie in it's own right, but once again, it's gained huge publicity for being gods answer to music and saving the word from crappy hair metal, and just like punk before it, Grunge became a brand name... I just feel that Modern Indie is repeating that process, but lacking the great bands that Punk and Grunge had.

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where i'm at, underground mean that not made praticularly here in this country, but yeah i do more under ground, kidney thieves, within temptation, dry cell, ect...

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beat yr own KID

There are more independant bands than there are mainstream bands. I dunno how I could have been more clear.

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What's wrong with TV on the Radio or Guided By Voices?

TV On the Radio in particular can hardly be convicted of making "crappy effortless music."