Best band: Round 1: Poll K (lyrics, house, punk, albums)

White Lies · 02-09-2007, 05:14 PM

What objectively defines an artist to be "hands down better" than anyone else?

As far as I'm aware, music is totally subjective, so which band is better than another is entirely down to each individual listener. But here you are, acting as though Hendrix is the only applicable option. Why? Why should someone who enjoys listening to Dinosaur Jr vote for Hendrix just because he's a big name musician and just because he's technically gifted? It's about the emotion, the songs, not technical prowess or influence or any other crap. If you think it's musically blasphemous to vote for any of those bands over Hendrix, then try and be more open-minded and objective and realize that some people prefer the MUSIC to the big name or "correct choice".

tdoc210 · 02-09-2007, 05:37 PM

Dj

Crowe · 02-09-2007, 05:42 PM

It says The Best. Let me use the convention of a dictionary definition to reiterate my concern with that title.

1. of the highest quality, excellence, or standing

Of this list, I believe Hendrix is the most applicable in terms of "The Best".

Now that I am reminded that these polls were spawned from a "favorite" band thread, then I'm not going to question this openly as I have in this thread - I have held back in other threads, but I have found this to be pretty ridiculous in regards to the aforementioned complaint.

Sneer · 02-09-2007, 05:49 PM

i have problems with the overall concept of this poll system, VERY good bands *cough white stripes cough* arent making the cut when in reality they really should because alot of people like them. However, the basis of this whole event isnt to establish the BEST, its to establish the FAVOURITE band(s) on mb, if it was the best it was just be a generic list comprising of the beatles, zeppelin, the stones, hendrix, the clash etc etc etc - wheres the fun in that?

Crowe · 02-09-2007, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu

i have problems with the overall concept of this poll system, VERY good bands *cough white stripes cough* arent making the cut when in reality they really should because alot of people like them. However, the basis of this whole event isnt to establish the BEST, its to establish the FAVOURITE band(s) on mb, if it was the best it was just be a generic list comprising of the beatles, zeppelin, the stones, hendrix, the clash etc etc etc - wheres the fun in that?

Agreed. I wasn't aware of that until swimintheundertow's post. Again, I thought we were deciding who was the "best".

White Lies · 02-09-2007, 06:21 PM

Band X
Band Y

say band X is your favorite of the two, you enjoy listening to them more. Surely then, you think that band X is BETTER than band Y, and hence is the BEST band? In your opinion, of course. It surely doesn't matter if there's a variation in style or technical proficiency - is the better band not the one that inspires the best and strongest feelings and emotions in you? To me, that band is better at making music. And hence, "the best". Not overall, because other people will think differently. But to me.

If you like Hendrix best and think his music is better than Dinosaur Jr, fine. But there's no given right to deny anyone else winning this. And there's no given right to deny that ANY OF THE OTHER BANDS COULD BE BETTER THAN HIM, in another person's mind.

If someone could plz explain to me why Jimi Hendrix is definitely, without any doubt, the "best" artist on this poll, please do so. Or am I wrong when I say the quality (QUALITY!) of any art is always subjective?

Crowe · 02-09-2007, 06:56 PM

I'll respond directly with bolded text.

Quote:

Originally Posted by White Lies

Band X
Band Y

say band X is your favorite of the two, you enjoy listening to them more. Surely then, you think that band X is BETTER than band Y, and hence is the BEST band? In your opinion, of course. It surely doesn't matter if there's a variation in style or technical proficiency - is the better band not the one that inspires the best and strongest feelings and emotions in you? To me, that band is better at making music. And hence, "the best". Not overall, because other people will think differently. But to me.

No.

For example: I consider Alkaline Trio one of my favorite bands, but there is no way I think that they have better music than Johannes Brahms. This might be because I'm a classically trained musician, I just happen to know that Brahms is better at making music than the Alkaline Trio - but I feel like this is something that everyone is aware of.

If you like Hendrix best and think his music is better than Dinosaur Jr, fine. But there's no given right to deny anyone else winning this. And there's no given right to deny that ANY OF THE OTHER BANDS COULD BE BETTER THAN HIM, in another person's mind.

You sit here talking about rights - but I have a feeling you are pulling this rant out of your nether cavity. I did not deny anyone winning this poll. I simply stated my personal surprise about people's opinions regarding who was "The Best" which at the time, I thought we were judging. So are you discounting my right do so? When I realized my mistake, I acknowledged it and expected to MOVE ON WITH THE CONVERSATION. But since you keep bringing it up...

If someone could plz explain to me why Jimi Hendrix is definitely, without any doubt, the "best" artist on this poll, please do so. Or am I wrong when I say the quality (QUALITY!) of any art is always subjective?

Our definition of the word best is different. Therefore, what you think the word "best" entails and what I think the word "best" entails is different. Since you love the idea of subjectivity - apply the concept to our views of the word "best", and let that satiate you.

Mk?

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TheBig3 · 02-09-2007, 07:00 PM

Hendrix

TheBig3 · 02-09-2007, 07:04 PM

This may be your undoing Crowe, but I agree and abck you 100%.

I've been the old man in the corner blabbing about this sort of thing forever. I'm just happy someone I've always considered intelligent is backing me up.

Crowe · 02-09-2007, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

This may be your undoing Crowe, but I agree and abck you 100%.

I've been the old man in the corner blabbing about this sort of thing forever. I'm just happy someone I've always considered intelligent is backing me up.

Haha. I'm glad I'm being understood at least. For awhile I thought that maybe I just wasn't articulating my case well. But some people are so concerned about being "right" that they refuse to acknowledge or consider the points made by other people. Which I think is White Lies' problem here.

I usually agree with you actually. I don't post a lot of "Yeah I agree" posts because I'm lazy - but you and I see eye to eye on most things.

View Poll Results: Poll K
Blood Brothers, The	1	3.33%
Dinosaur Jr	10	33.33%
Jimi Hendrix	11	36.67%
Rise Against	6	20.00%
Saxon	2	6.67%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

02-09-2007, 05:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
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02-09-2007, 05:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Crowe Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 690	It says The Best. Let me use the convention of a dictionary definition to reiterate my concern with that title. 1. of the highest quality, excellence, or standing Of this list, I believe Hendrix is the most applicable in terms of "The Best". Now that I am reminded that these polls were spawned from a "favorite" band thread, then I'm not going to question this openly as I have in this thread - I have held back in other threads, but I have found this to be pretty ridiculous in regards to the aforementioned complaint. __________________

02-09-2007, 05:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,397	i have problems with the overall concept of this poll system, VERY good bands cough white stripes cough arent making the cut when in reality they really should because alot of people like them. However, the basis of this whole event isnt to establish the BEST, its to establish the FAVOURITE band(s) on mb, if it was the best it was just be a generic list comprising of the beatles, zeppelin, the stones, hendrix, the clash etc etc etc - wheres the fun in that? __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

02-09-2007, 07:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
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02-09-2007, 05:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
White Lies destroy oh boy! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 491	What objectively defines an artist to be "hands down better" than anyone else? As far as I'm aware, music is totally subjective, so which band is better than another is entirely down to each individual listener. But here you are, acting as though Hendrix is the only applicable option. Why? Why should someone who enjoys listening to Dinosaur Jr vote for Hendrix just because he's a big name musician and just because he's technically gifted? It's about the emotion, the songs, not technical prowess or influence or any other crap. If you think it's musically blasphemous to vote for any of those bands over Hendrix, then try and be more open-minded and objective and realize that some people prefer the MUSIC to the big name or "correct choice".

02-09-2007, 06:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
White Lies destroy oh boy! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 491	Band X Band Y say band X is your favorite of the two, you enjoy listening to them more. Surely then, you think that band X is BETTER than band Y, and hence is the BEST band? In your opinion, of course. It surely doesn't matter if there's a variation in style or technical proficiency - is the better band not the one that inspires the best and strongest feelings and emotions in you? To me, that band is better at making music. And hence, "the best". Not overall, because other people will think differently. But to me. If you like Hendrix best and think his music is better than Dinosaur Jr, fine. But there's no given right to deny anyone else winning this. And there's no given right to deny that ANY OF THE OTHER BANDS COULD BE BETTER THAN HIM, in another person's mind. If someone could plz explain to me why Jimi Hendrix is definitely, without any doubt, the "best" artist on this poll, please do so. Or am I wrong when I say the quality (QUALITY!) of any art is always subjective?

02-09-2007, 07:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,246	This may be your undoing Crowe, but I agree and abck you 100%. I've been the old man in the corner blabbing about this sort of thing forever. I'm just happy someone I've always considered intelligent is backing me up. __________________ I've moved to a new address