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View Poll Results: Poll K
Blood Brothers, The 1 3.33%
Dinosaur Jr 10 33.33%
Jimi Hendrix 11 36.67%
Rise Against 6 20.00%
Saxon 2 6.67%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-09-2007, 05:49 PM   #31 (permalink)
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i have problems with the overall concept of this poll system, VERY good bands *cough white stripes cough* arent making the cut when in reality they really should because alot of people like them. However, the basis of this whole event isnt to establish the BEST, its to establish the FAVOURITE band(s) on mb, if it was the best it was just be a generic list comprising of the beatles, zeppelin, the stones, hendrix, the clash etc etc etc - wheres the fun in that?
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i have problems with the overall concept of this poll system, VERY good bands *cough white stripes cough* arent making the cut when in reality they really should because alot of people like them. However, the basis of this whole event isnt to establish the BEST, its to establish the FAVOURITE band(s) on mb, if it was the best it was just be a generic list comprising of the beatles, zeppelin, the stones, hendrix, the clash etc etc etc - wheres the fun in that?
Agreed. I wasn't aware of that until swimintheundertow's post. Again, I thought we were deciding who was the "best".
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Old 02-09-2007, 06:21 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Band X
Band Y

say band X is your favorite of the two, you enjoy listening to them more. Surely then, you think that band X is BETTER than band Y, and hence is the BEST band? In your opinion, of course. It surely doesn't matter if there's a variation in style or technical proficiency - is the better band not the one that inspires the best and strongest feelings and emotions in you? To me, that band is better at making music. And hence, "the best". Not overall, because other people will think differently. But to me.

If you like Hendrix best and think his music is better than Dinosaur Jr, fine. But there's no given right to deny anyone else winning this. And there's no given right to deny that ANY OF THE OTHER BANDS COULD BE BETTER THAN HIM, in another person's mind.

If someone could plz explain to me why Jimi Hendrix is definitely, without any doubt, the "best" artist on this poll, please do so. Or am I wrong when I say the quality (QUALITY!) of any art is always subjective?
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Old 02-09-2007, 06:56 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Band X
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say band X is your favorite of the two, you enjoy listening to them more. Surely then, you think that band X is BETTER than band Y, and hence is the BEST band? In your opinion, of course. It surely doesn't matter if there's a variation in style or technical proficiency - is the better band not the one that inspires the best and strongest feelings and emotions in you? To me, that band is better at making music. And hence, "the best". Not overall, because other people will think differently. But to me.


No.

For example: I consider Alkaline Trio one of my favorite bands, but there is no way I think that they have better music than Johannes Brahms. This might be because I'm a classically trained musician, I just happen to know that Brahms is better at making music than the Alkaline Trio - but I feel like this is something that everyone is aware of.


If you like Hendrix best and think his music is better than Dinosaur Jr, fine. But there's no given right to deny anyone else winning this. And there's no given right to deny that ANY OF THE OTHER BANDS COULD BE BETTER THAN HIM, in another person's mind.

You sit here talking about rights - but I have a feeling you are pulling this rant out of your nether cavity. I did not deny anyone winning this poll. I simply stated my personal surprise about people's opinions regarding who was "The Best" which at the time, I thought we were judging. So are you discounting my right do so? When I realized my mistake, I acknowledged it and expected to MOVE ON WITH THE CONVERSATION. But since you keep bringing it up...

If someone could plz explain to me why Jimi Hendrix is definitely, without any doubt, the "best" artist on this poll, please do so. Or am I wrong when I say the quality (QUALITY!) of any art is always subjective?

Our definition of the word best is different. Therefore, what you think the word "best" entails and what I think the word "best" entails is different. Since you love the idea of subjectivity - apply the concept to our views of the word "best", and let that satiate you.
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This may be your undoing Crowe, but I agree and abck you 100%.

I've been the old man in the corner blabbing about this sort of thing forever. I'm just happy someone I've always considered intelligent is backing me up.
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This may be your undoing Crowe, but I agree and abck you 100%.

I've been the old man in the corner blabbing about this sort of thing forever. I'm just happy someone I've always considered intelligent is backing me up.
Haha. I'm glad I'm being understood at least. For awhile I thought that maybe I just wasn't articulating my case well. But some people are so concerned about being "right" that they refuse to acknowledge or consider the points made by other people. Which I think is White Lies' problem here.

I usually agree with you actually. I don't post a lot of "Yeah I agree" posts because I'm lazy - but you and I see eye to eye on most things.
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i personally think its a very weak poll (even though i was heavily involved in choosing the polls!).
Yeah, I think I may take a stab at it again once this is all done, because alot of the polls seem to be like that. This is more of a trial run, sort of. Theres alot of things i'll do differently next time.

Also (I didn't bother reading through the argument I more skimmed because I didn't see the point in reading through the whole thing), i'll be more specific in the future. I didn't really think people would be super technical over my choice in words, pick whatever band you want based on whatever criteria you choose to vote, best, favorite, coolest name, w/e.
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For example: I consider Alkaline Trio one of my favorite bands, but there is no way I think that they have better music than Johannes Brahms. This might be because I'm a classically trained musician, I just happen to know that Brahms is better at making music than the Alkaline Trio - but I feel like this is something that everyone is aware of.
I ask you; what is the point of music? To enjoy it, and to inspire emotions within you? That's what I look for. And if a pop-punk band can do that more effectively than a classical musician, then I won’t deny that I find the pop-punk band better than the classical artist, even if that seems ridiculous to "clasically trained" musicians who obviously look for different things.

I want music to be passionate, with interesting lyrics that can make a statement, that can encourage the listener and get them to think. That's what makes music good, to me. There are lots of bands who haven't had the chance to be classically trained are still perfectly capable of writing music that many people will find to hit all the right spots. I's all about the listener and what they look for, though. To me, there is more passion and substance in early Dinosaur Jr albums than I’ve ever heard from any Hendrrx.


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You sit here talking about rights - but I have a feeling you are pulling this rant out of your nether cavity. I did not deny anyone winning this poll. I simply stated my personal surprise about people's opinions regarding who was "The Best" which at the time, I thought we were judging. So are you discounting my right do so? When I realized my mistake, I acknowledged it and expected to MOVE ON WITH THE CONVERSATION. But since you keep bringing it up...
You are correct, you didn't deny it. But you implied it was ridiculous and somehow wrong that Dinosaur Jr were beating Hendrx, and that people could possibly think that Dino were better. The fact you thought this was about "the best band" or whatever is IRRELEVANT. I am not discounting your right to state your opinion, I'm saying that don't spout bull**** like "musically blasphemous" just because the band you think (THINK, my friend) is better isn't winning. It was yr attitude, and how you seemed to think it was outside the realm of possibility that Dinosaur Jr could've made better music than Jimi Hendrix. For example:


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But Hendrix is motherfvcking hands down better than Dinosaur Jr
Not a fact. An opinion.

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Technical skill and influence aside... Dinosaur Jr is still not even close to Jimi Hendrix
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And again, this does say the BEST BAND poll... not the, oh I know that this band's the best, but I'm going to go ahead and pick this guy instead poll did I miss something?
Prove that Hendrix is the best, and everyone knows that that is a fact. Then I'll concede you have a point.

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it's an act of trying to go against the norm for the sake of going against the norm
Or people think Dinosaur Jr is better than Hendrix? BETTER. THE BEST of the two. Yeah, that'll be it.

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Our definition of the word best is different. Therefore, what you think the word "best" entails and what I think the word "best" entails is different. Since you love the idea of subjectivity - apply the concept to our views of the word "best", and let that satiate you.
Clearly. Since you understand that people have a different idea of what "the best" is, you (hopefully) can now recognize that there is no artist who SHOULD win the poll, whether it be someone's favorite OR who they regard "the best". So let people vote whatever way they want, and don't be a pompous ******* about it.

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