TheBig3

It seems to me:

- You get all of your opinions from critics.

- Cannot fathom how people get any opinions dissenting to those.

- Cannot conceive of how people derive their own

- When they do, you relegate them to the work of madmen and morons with uninformed insults and a cadre of smiley face icons.

- You rarely, if ever, back up your opinions with any reasons (presumably, given the aforementioned statements because you can't make your own, or none were given to you). It just is or is not by your bearings.

- Everything you like smacks of pretension. I mean, did you really name drop Citizen Kane earlier in this thread? Why because its considered the greatest American film of all time? I'm sure you came in to weather some harsh criticism on that one.

- You hate Modest Mouse because he sings like ****, yet you claim to like Tom Waits who its evident Brock takes many a style and phrasing from. You claim to like David Bryne whom Brock probably takes the other 50% of his vocal styling from. So the two bands he's influenced by; Great. Him; shit.

Interesting Mr. Boo, I get the feeling that if this were 40 years ago you'd hate Led Zeppelin with the same amount of passion you hate Modest Mouse with, or more accurately, you'd hate Led Zep with the same amount of passion the critics did then.

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Mmm hmmm. No wonder I like Boston, Heart, Uriah Heep, Jethro Tull, Van Halen and some other bands who were the most critically reviled of their day. Queen, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin were not well liked by critics either.

Not to mention many critics have come to the same conclusion that Wayne Coyne has. It's nothing new.

Well I am always right, so that must mean everyone else is wrong.

They get them from the opinion fairy.

Assuming you are refering to the album reviewers. Well, I hate the smugness of the musicians involved with indie/garage revivalism as it is, and I hate their music, their opinions aren't really deserving of my respect.

Its funny that you always call me the pretentious one. When you make so many far out claims such as to imply that I don't have any actual opinions of my own.

It is one of my favorite movies. But my favorite is American Beauty. I'm a buff for older movies.

Oh my I'm different than you, I'm pretentious wooooooooooooo hoooooooooooooo. I'm gonna read Leonard Cohens lyrics and go on about how great he is even though I never listen to his music. Wooooooooo hoooooooooo. I'm pretentious.

And thank you, you just called The White Stripes, Beck, Metallica, RATM and a lot of bands you like pretentious.

Yeah, I claim to like him, I actually think he's a piece of sh*t. I just want to be accepted.

Only Brock dosen't sound a thing like Waits, he borrows most of his stylings from Frank Black, whose vocals can be pretty grating.

So, its a law now that we have to like everything our favorite artists influence?

I don't really care who Brocks influences are, if he really is trying to imitate the styles of Byrne and Waits then it just comes to show how truly a horrible vocalist he really is, because he comes off sounding more like a cross between Bullwinkle and Daffy Duck.

No, because 40 years ago Led Zeppelin weren't the worst band currently making music and they were not getting their asses kissed by critics and annoying hipsters alike.

Not to mention you are being inconsistant now, I get all my opinions from critics, yet I feel obliged to hate everything they like? You never make any goddamn sense.

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TheBig3

Well as I've already pointed out in this thread, you don't read anything, so the inconsistency stems from your lack of actually reading what im tlaking about, nevermind what I'm not.

When Led Zep came out, they were panned. And I'm saying if you were alive then, you'd have hated them. The critics today love Led Zep and thus your opinion.

Ill give you that you don't like how Brock sings, and thats fine, but you also mentioned that critics and indie hipsters love them which means its more that an added bonus. It sounds as if their praise annoys you more than their music.

but enough about Modest Mouse, Led Zep, and your lack of original opinions. The argument in this thread started when you refused to believe anyone could dislike these classic albums without the motive of pissing people off. I think those reviews were dead on.

To some people John Cale's viola sounds out of tune. To some people Brock sings out of tune, you just willfully see one as acceptable and the other as less so. And as for my own pretentious nature (which again, you've backed up with no examples, arguments, or anything more than the statement itself), my bold, misspelled assertions may in fact be reactionary, but at least there my own.

One of the problems I see with MusicBanter is that people fall in line to avoid flaming "newbhood", and it leads to stagnant discussion, as does your review of nearly every album. You just carry the opinion on. If we all agreed on the same albums as great, this place would suck. I find the OP to be a refreshing option to have discourse on the sacred cows we never speak about because its assumed their great and we all love it.

Thats the most important point Ill make all week and it will be skipped over to make some glib insult to redeem someone integrity. Its no less true.

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But I like many bands the critics hate and they like many bands I hate, thats what I just said. No one is completely in sync with critics anyway. Except for indie kids like yourself, don't make me a scapegoat for your pompous rants.

A little from collumn A and collumn B. I think their music is downright horrible without any kind of redeeming value. You all think that of Yes, thats true, but thats only a big deal because I like Yes, no one else does so who cares? I think Modest Mouse sucks any way you look at it, but everyone praising them like they are the new saviors of music is a bonus.

I dunno. Thinking Bob Dylan is overrated seems like an original opinion to me.

Only Cale has talent, good taste and the respect of many fine musicians.

As for my opinions? You really make it out like you're a good poster don't you?

"At least I use facts to back my opinions."

Last time I checked, your opinions are of a 20 something slacker who spends all his time in his room listening to Steve Earle records and writing bad poetry, you don't back up what you say with facts becase there are no facts to back up subjective pitchforkian hogwash.

Well you are right on one thing. I'm the one dork on this forum that sticks up for all the sacred cows. Except for the sacred cows of the indie community. Those I love to rip on.

If we were to count the insults here. You have made far more directed at me than I have made directed at you.

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