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Old 09-10-2012, 05:51 PM   #1461 (permalink)
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It's quite a ludicrous statement considering the scope of the genre where it's just been generalised.
This is what I found quite ludicrous:

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****ing substantiate your argument

do you know how many metal bands and metal sub-genreS are actually out there?

if you're just gonna make a ****ing sweeping statement based on something you heard (which is most probably Metallica) just **** off, won't you?
Rjinnx, I hate to use an analogy but it is like having two beverages (let's use this as an example ) and someone is asked which one is warmer the one on the left or the one on the right. The person said the one on the left. Would it be right if people were to estraplate what the guy really said was that it was hot? Saying something like "one beer is warmer than another" isn't the same as "that beer is hot."

So if one says Heavy Metal is over-rated (in regards that it doesn't live up to its media hype or it doesn't have enough in his opinion to pique his interest & make him a fan of it). Should that be deduced the person is saying Heavy Metal is terrible? And get made at him for that? The poster only said it was over-rated he didn't said it sucked or was terrible. He didn't condemn it as the worst. It's only a comparitve statement, to me it goes no further than that. When it comes down to it it's only his opinion anyway. It's not some objective statment etched in stone.

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If I said all blues is ****, wouldn't you think whatever the reason was, it couldn't substantiate because my experience doesn't amount to the depth of my statement? Really, would I know what I'm taking about?
All that I would see as being a given and I still would not talk to you like Howard did to AA in that instance. And yet somehow I feel I am made to defend his statement about Heavy Metal. I reread my post and I noticed I did not agree with everything AA said. I hope it is understood that I am only defending his right to give an opinion, (and a right to state an opinion without being told to "just **** off"). I'm not defending his opinion. Whether I agree or not is totally another matter.

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I don't think Howard was being harsh at all. The newbie that stated heavy metal was overrated, actaully made a point of saying ALL heavy metal was overrated and not just some, meaning he probably knows **** all about the genre.
He only gave an opinion about music. So Howard comes along and tells him to "just **** off." Well what is that? All in all why should Heavy Metal as thing get more respect than a member who is a person just because he gave an opinion? (Even though he might be a fly-by-night memeber.)
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:34 PM   #1462 (permalink)
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Very biased list here.... Where are all the Soul/Funk singers? Everybody just listens to Rock on this site :/


Underrated:

Sly Family Stone
Funkadelic
D Angelo
Jack White
Krs One
Fionna Apple
Mint Condition


Overrated:

Madonna
Beyonce
Lady Gaga
Jay Z
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:00 PM   #1463 (permalink)
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Very biased list here.... Where are all the Soul/Funk singers? Everybody just listens to Rock on this site :/


Underrated:

Sly Family Stone
Funkadelic
D Angelo
Jack White
Krs One
Fionna Apple
Mint Condition
I think we have really different definitions of the word "underrated".
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:08 PM   #1464 (permalink)
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Over-rated: Nickleback, Counting Crows, Lady Gaga, Maroon 5, John Mayer

Under-rated: The Sights, Brendan Benson, Jellyroot, Dropkick Murphys, Fiona Apple, Jack White
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:22 PM   #1465 (permalink)
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Jack White
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Under-rated: Jack White
People, Jack White isn't underrated, whole stadiums sing his song:



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Old 09-10-2012, 07:25 PM   #1466 (permalink)
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This is what I found quite ludicrous:



Rjinnx, I hate to use an analogy but it is like having two beverages (let's use this as an example ) and someone is asked which one is warmer the one on the left or the one on the right. The person said the one on the left. Would it be right if people were to estraplate what the guy really said was that it was hot? Saying something like "one beer is warmer than another" isn't the same as "that beer is hot."

So if one says Heavy Metal is over-rated (in regards that it doesn't live up to its media hype or it doesn't have enough in his opinion to pique his interest & make him a fan of it). Should that be deduced the person is saying Heavy Metal is terrible? And get made at him for that? The poster only said it was over-rated he didn't said it sucked or was terrible. He didn't condemn it as the worst. It's only a comparitve statement, to me it goes no further than that. When it comes down to it it's only his opinion anyway. It's not some objective statment etched in stone.



All that I would see as being a given and I still would not talk to you like Howard did to AA in that instance. And yet somehow I feel I am made to defend his statement about Heavy Metal. I reread my post and I noticed I did not agree with everything AA said. I hope it is understood that I am only defending his right to give an opinion, (and a right to state an opinion without being told to "just **** off"). I'm not defending his opinion. Whether I agree or not is totally another matter.



He only gave an opinion about music. So Howard comes along and tells him to "just **** off." Well what is that? All in all why should Heavy Metal as thing get more respect than a member who is a person just because he gave an opinion? (Even though he might be a fly-by-night memeber.)
I suppose the personal flame was unnecessary. My comment was mainly directed towards his point, really.

I wouldn't say that analogy is the same as saying "all beers are hot" when you don't have knowledge about every other beer. Granted I have said Nu-Metal isn't a genre I had a taste for but I didn't say it goes for all bands, and actually pointed out specific ones based on. (I'm actually a fan of one, and it was regardless of the genre, so my statement was pretty idiotic).

I just don't think the statement was fair to slander every other band in effect that came out of nowhere.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:52 PM   #1467 (permalink)
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I think we have really different definitions of the word "underrated".

None of those artists are mainstream artists or POP stars. Sly Family Stone just had an unsung episode which primarily focuses on black artists who were popular that never really crossed over. Neither as Funkadelic and the rest of the artists mentioned are not POP or heavily acknowledged by the music industry.... So what is your definition of underrated?
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People, Jack White isn't underrated, whole stadiums sing his song:




Thats with his band "The White Stripes" but as a solo artist he is very underrated. He has written and composed alot of music for other artists as well as for himself that goes unappreciated by the mass industry.
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:17 PM   #1469 (permalink)
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None of those artists are mainstream artists or POP stars.
All of those artists are mainstream, except maybe Mint Condition, who I'm not familiar with.

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Sly Family Stone just had an unsung episode which primarily focuses on black artists who were popular that never really crossed over. Neither as Funkadelic and the rest of the artists mentioned are not POP or heavily acknowledged by the music industry.... So what is your definition of underrated?
Underrated would imply an artist who is not critically praised or highly regarded, the opposite of the people on your list.
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:45 PM   #1470 (permalink)
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Complexity isn't everything you know. If I just want to listen to some metal to give me a real good vibe I'll put on Pantera. I have to be in the mood for Metallica usually. FTW I'd sooner listen to Pantera than Metallica.
Oh, I know. Im always preaching that complexity isn't everything. Metallica just totally kicks their ass in my opinion. I really do not like Phil, he's so annoying. James hetfield is a much better front man in my opinion. I know James' voice is pretty annoying in the more recent days, but I think it was a lot better on those first few albums than Phil's voice ever was. I think James was a much better lyricist as well. Phil just kinda ruins pantera for me. "walk", for example, really annoys me. The lyrics mostly, and the singing. Its just like some stupid redneck **** to me, "walk on home boy".

But that's just me.

Metallica gets hated on so much, and I know, they have sucked for a while now. But in the beginning they were a bad ass band.
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