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Old 09-11-2012, 05:01 PM   #1611 (permalink)
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Music magazines and the music media is also an industry and as an industry it needs to make money, to continue to allow those responsible to get very, very fat. Music magazines don't make money if they don't put someone popular on the front cover, as their main selling point.

But you are more concerned with the music industry and its opinions, right? And so, the music industry underrates Jack White?

So tell me this. As you say that it would be naive to take the music writers opinion as representation of the bigger picture, and you just compared their opinion to that of award shows meaning that we shouldn't put much stock in their views on Jack White either, and the fact that the general public and the music listener bought so many units of his latest album that it went to #1 in several countries, including the UK and US but this also doesn't convince you that he may not be as underrated as you think he is - I have to ask exactly who's opinion you are looking to when you say that the music industry isn't recognising him as much as they should.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:05 PM   #1612 (permalink)
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Explain?

How can you say that Jack White is credible because Mick Jagger, Keith Richards & Jimmy Page want to do photo sessions with him but then turn around and make a generic contradiction against your own arguement by insisting that its good for Stevie Wonder to do a song with Drake just because his a multi platinum artist and he is NO WHERE on his calibar.....

My point in bringing that up shows that just because a legendary artist wants to work with an artist thats current or lesser on their calibar doesnt validate the other artists talent or credibility
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How are they different?


The industry in the 60s/70s for example is not like how it is in 2012. Its mostly based on image and popularity not on quality. There was more variety and competition and it was much harder to win awards than what it is currently or to even be labeled an Icon/legend or regarded as influential. It was based off of real requirements and today in the industry doesnt follow them and just gives awards to who is popular not because of the quality of the music.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:13 PM   #1614 (permalink)
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How can you say that Jack White is credible because Mick Jagger, Keith Richards & Jimmy Page want to do photo sessions with him but then turn around and make a generic contradiction against your own arguement by insisting that its good for Stevie Wonder to do a song with Drake just because his a multi platinum artist and he is NO WHERE on his calibar.....

My point in bringing that up shows that just because a legendary artist wants to work with an artist thats current or lesser on their calibar doesnt validate the other artists talent or credibility
It's quite simple
Mick Jagger, Keith Richards & Jimmy Page appear with Jack White in a photo session to show that he has the respect of his peers. They're not promoting any record they've made with him. It's purely about putting an icon from one time of music with another.

Stevie Wonder appears on a Drake album because he's multi platinum artist and so will probably get a hefty fee for doing so.
If you can find an article with Stevie Wonder singing the praises of Drake & calling him the voice of a generation then that's his opinion and I'll respectfully disagree with him.

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The industry in the 60s/70s for example is not like how it is in 2012. Its mostly based on image and popularity not on quality. There was more variety and competition and it was much harder to win awards than what it is currently or to even be labeled an Icon/legend or regarded as influential. It was based off of real requirements and today in the industry doesnt follow them and just gives awards to who is popular not because of the quality of the music.
You were talking about the early 90s, not the 60s & 70s.
The early 90s were not that different to now.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:16 PM   #1615 (permalink)
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LOL those are magazine writers that said that..... and they typically are just as full of politics as award shows so its really naive to simply based what magazine writers have said and claim it as the entire industry thinking that way. I am just trying to look at the full spectrum.... Jack White isnt getting the same recognition as Justin Timberlake for example who is regarded as a serious musician when he isnt... I am looking at and comparing what the industry calls the best today which is really mediocrity.
I am not calling Jack White one of the greatest but he is alot better than alot of the mainstream artists we have out now.
So what you are saying is that he should be in the "pop" genre to get enough recognition as he deserves?

I don't know how they do it over there but plenty of teens and people proclaim his ability through the media, and society. Where did you get that teens and people don't know who is? He's everywhere. When he releases a new album solo or not, there are posters everywhere in big CD shops and entertainment stores. His new album covered entire windows and walls. He has t-shirts stuck on bodies. His concert tickets sell out in a flash. His video clips are played over and over in gyms.

If critically acclaimed reviews, editorials and being on the cover of almost all music mags, great amounts of interviews and framed photos aren't enough. What is?
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:20 PM   #1616 (permalink)
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So what you are saying is that he should be in the "pop" genre to get enough recognition as he deserves?

I don't know how they do it over there but plenty of teens and people proclaim his ability through the media, and society. Where did you get that teens and people don't know who is? He's everywhere. When he releases a new album solo or not, there are posters everywhere in big CD shops and entertainment stores. His new album covered entire windows and walls. He has t-shirts stuck on bodies. His concert tickets sell out in a flash. His video clips are played over and over in gyms.

If critically acclaimed reviews, editorials and being on the cover of almost all music mags, great amounts of interviews and framed photos aren't enough. What is?

Maybe being in a crap movie with Jimmy Page and the Edge will do the trick. Too late.
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It's quite simple
Mick Jagger, Keith Richards & Jimmy Page appear with Jack White in a photo session to show that he has the respect of his peers. They're not promoting any record they've made with him. It's purely about putting an icon from one time of music with another.

Stevie Wonder appears on a Drake album because he's multi platinum artist and so will probably get a hefty fee for doing so.
If you can find an article with Stevie Wonder singing the praises of Drake & calling him the voice of a generation then that's his opinion and I'll respectfully disagree with him.
You were making the arguement that since those highly regarded artists/legends wanted to do a photo with him than that means he was regarded highly and I simply used a similiar example and Stevie Wonder has spoke highly about Drake and many other artists that I feel are not worthy of those high remarks. I dont see how you could not find anything wrong with him doing a song with a mediocre rapper which I feel is making a point more than doing a photo shoot with a musician.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:22 PM   #1618 (permalink)
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The Banana Spltis invented Pop Punk! There, I said it!

The Archies coupld not even think of having a kick ass song as "Doing The Banana Split!"
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Not to mention 'The Tra La La Song' or 'Wait til Tomorrow', their ballad. Talk about underrated!

I was the target audience for the Banana Splits when they appeared. I even remember sending away for their album with Kellogg's box tops and going to see them 'In Concert' at Sea World.

I was destined to be a music fan from the beginning.

Man I wish I still had that album....
i am sooooooo jealous that you got to see The Banana Splits

sadly Bubblegum Pop will always be ignored and underrated


have you guys ever read that book on Bubblegum Pop that Feral House put out?

an amazing guide to the best music on the freaking planet from The Archies to The Spice Girls


ok so being 100% honest....who is Jill Scott?
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:23 PM   #1619 (permalink)
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i am sooooooo jealous that you got to see The Banana Splits

sadly Bubblegum Pop will always be ignored and underrated


have you guys ever read that book on Bubblegum Pop that Feral House put out?

an amazing guide to the best music on the freaking planet from The Archies to The Spice Girls


ok so being 100% honest....who is Jill Scott?
A multi platinum selling RNB/Jazz artist.

All kidding aside. Jill Scott is highly regarded from both the pop and urban music world. If selling 800,000 copies of her two follow up records after a multi platinum effort isn't considered popular, then you may just be right for the Dicaprio role in Whats eating Gilbert Grape 2.
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So what you are saying is that he should be in the "pop" genre to get enough recognition as he deserves?

I don't know how they do it over there but plenty of teens and people proclaim his ability through the media, and society. Where did you get that teens and people don't know who is? He's everywhere. When he releases a new album solo or not, there are posters everywhere in big CD shops and entertainment stores. His new album covered entire windows and walls. He has t-shirts stuck on bodies. His concert tickets sell out in a flash. His video clips are played over and over in gyms.

If critically acclaimed reviews, editorials and being on the cover of almost all music mags, great amounts of interviews and framed photos aren't enough. What is?


Where is his music being played? And I know of alot of people who are teens and early 20's who dont know who he is even grown adults.

The only time I remember him being popular was with his band back in 2003 and I was in grade school lol


Ive never seen any magazine covers of him or heard him on the radio besides that.
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