In Rainbows Vs. Icky Thump (metal, punk, rock, single)

TheBig3 · 12-22-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Very mature. Two things: Nickelback is still being played and Puddle of Mudd had a hit awhile ago with their last album. It's been 6 years.

Whats mature? And yes, I don't think I'd call them post-grunge any longer. "Rockstar" was countrified and "I love you" or whatever its called is a pop song that had hoarse vocals.

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

In addition to that, you're ignoring something pretty huge that was going on at the same time that I think was a much bigger factor in killing post-grunge than the Stripes were. That whole Blink/Green Day inspired pop-punk movement occurred that same year, from Good Charlotte to Avril Lavigne you couldn't really escape it. That movement has in a lot of ways growing right into the recent "emo" movement.

I don't know if that had a hand in killing it. They were sort of conjoined twins. It was playing to the same market and I feel they shared a symbiotic relationship. The closest thing to come up as anything close to post-grunge is Hinder; with its "imperfect" name and their "heavy" sound they could be mistaken as PG, but they have more in common with the end of the 80's pop-metal movement with their balladry, and outfits.

right-track · 12-22-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Like what? The Strokes?

*waits for one of Urbans extensive and comprehensive band lists...

TheBig3 · 12-22-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Like what? The Strokes?

The strokes actually predated the stripes but I would imagine a 5 year old to document that.

bloc party
hot hot heat
whirlwind heaty
kaiser cheifs
detriot cobras
The von bondies

EDIT: that whole thing came post stripes.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-22-2007, 06:34 PM

the vines , the hives, Burning Brides , the datsuns , soledad brothers , the catheters , the pattern , jet , yeah yeah yeahs , the hiss , the buff medways , Beachbuggy , D4. immortal lee county killers , the black keys

All of these bands either had column inches , major label deals or debut albums out in the wake of the white stripes success.

sleepy jack · 12-22-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Whats mature? And yes, I don't think I'd call them post-grunge any longer. "Rockstar" was countrified and "I love you" or whatever its called is a pop song that had hoarse vocals.

I don't know if that had a hand in killing it. They were sort of conjoined twins. It was playing to the same market and I feel they shared a symbiotic relationship. The closest thing to come up as anything close to post-grunge is Hinder; with its "imperfect" name and their "heavy" sound they could be mistaken as PG, but they have more in common with the end of the 80's pop-metal movement with their balladry, and outfits.

So, despite the fact nu-metal and pop-punk were all over the radio, much more so than the White Stripes they didn't have a hand in killing it? Forgive me, but I always thought when something was on the radio a lot and then isn't anymore and because the radio is playing something new. That that something new is the reason the something old got bumped down.

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

the vines , the hives, Burning Brides , the datsuns , soledad brothers , the catheters , the pattern , jet , yeah yeah yeahs , the hiss , the buff medways , Beachbuggy , D4. immortal lee county killers , the black keys

All of these bands either had column inches , major label deals or debut albums out in the wake of the white stripes success.

Out of those only the Vines, the Hives, Jet and Yeah Yeah Yeahs got much radio play and I think the Vines owe more to Nirvana than Billy Childish. That entire movement was something that was only seen on Subterranean, the Limp Bizkits and Sum 41's were dominating the radio.

jackhammer · 12-22-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

Then we must agree to disagree...different strokes an' all that.
Maybe I should listen to In Rainbows more, maybe I'm missing out on something worth listening to more?
I just find that The White Stripes do it for me every time and without much initial listening.

Of course and I would'nt change this for anything. You are not a big rock fan whereas I can get my riff satisfaction from this area, so STRIPES don't sound much different to a lot of other stuff I like and have heard already. I adore the STRIPES approach to music but I can't help but feel that they are just a garage rock band. I would'nt say Radiohead are better than the Stripes at all. They both play different forms of music. Stripes are much more natural and raw but i feel that their music is based on riffs and not enough emotion comes out of their records. I can hear Radioheads pain, discomfort, alienation in their music. I cannot in the Stripes.

As you say different strokes etc. A lot of fans and critics alike love the track RECKONER from IN RAINBOWS. I think it is one of the weakest tracks on the album! I think i'm just plain odd really lol.

TheBig3 · 12-22-2007, 06:38 PM

Sigh.

Pop-punk did nothing to get rid of PG. Dude Ranch was their first foray into pop-punk. That came out in like 1997. Those three years were the PG high water mark.

sleepy jack · 12-22-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Sigh.

Pop-punk did nothing to get rid of PG. Dude Ranch was their first foray into pop-punk. That came out in like 1997. Those three years were the PG high water mark.

Um...You do realize pop-punk albums were made after Dude Ranch right?

TheBig3 · 12-22-2007, 06:42 PM

and do you realize that within a year of WBC's all the bands Urban mention errupted and PG evaporated?

What was the last PG band you remember that got signed?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 12-22-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

Out of those only the Vines, the Hives, Jet and Yeah Yeah Yeahs got much radio play and I think the Vines owe more to Nirvana than Billy Childish. That entire movement was something that was only seen on Subterranean, the Limp Bizkits and Sum 41's were dominating the radio.

True but then only 4 or 5 bands from any one movement go on to make much of a mainstream impact anyway. And the fact you named 4 bands not including the White Stripes that did get regular play suggests to me they did change the musical landscape.

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TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Sigh. Pop-punk did nothing to get rid of PG. Dude Ranch was their first foray into pop-punk. That came out in like 1997. Those three years were the PG high water mark. __________________ I've moved to a new address

12-22-2007, 06:42 PM	#59 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	and do you realize that within a year of WBC's all the bands Urban mention errupted and PG evaporated? What was the last PG band you remember that got signed? __________________ I've moved to a new address