jackhammer

^^
That's one of the problems though. There is a lot of crap in RNB music and it is so generic that someone has to be held responsible!

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Urban Hat€monger ?

I'm willing to give him credit for Off The Wall which is a rather good album if i'm in the mood for simplistic pop music.

Other than that had Jackson never existed I doubt my record collection would be poorer for it , whatever his influence.

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djchameleon

there is alot of crap in R&B I agree, but the ones that are excellent dancers owe that to michael.....they use his moves

Urban Hat€monger ?

Which he stole from Jeffrey Daniel of Shalamar anyway.

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mjscarousal

No... yea he helped choregraph Smooth Criminal, BAD but MJ did the rest on his own. MJ was pop and locking it long before Jeffrey. He started working with him around 1987 ish 88-89 that extent. The kick, crotch grab etc is all MJ bro. So what Jeffrey (helped) with the choregraphy on 2 MJ vids, MJ is a talented dancer anyway.

Urban Hat€monger ?

Before?

I think you will find Daniel was doing that sort of thing in the mid 70s

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djchameleon

it doesn't matter who he stole it from. most people associate those moves with MJ not that other guy

he made them famous and a signature of his own

jackhammer

Prince>Michael Jackson. Ever seen the Sign O The Times concert? jeez that man can dance, sing, play badas s guitar and play the drums. Grabbing your crotch and saying he he does'nt come close. Jackson's music was successful and catchy there is no denying that, but it is just disco music at the end of the day.

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mjscarousal

lol Not trying to force you to listen to MJ, Frankly don't care if you ever do or dont, ur missing out though. My thing is just don't hate on and belittle Mike because MJ is tight. Yes people can argue that MJ albums suck those PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE EXACTLY LISTENED TO ALL HIS ALBUMS TO MAKE SUCH AN ARGUEMENT. How you going to say so and so sucks, when you haven't even listened to the album for yourself to make an opinion? thats what your doing. You making all these arguements and you haven't listened to all his albums, you don't know what songs MJ's written and exactly produced and arranged himself. You keep on bringing up Q because you don't know ish your just assuming what YOU want to think and what YOU want to believe.




Bam right there.... see you find info which is good but you don't want to accept it... once again thats you. It doesn't change reality and what it really is. MJ plays instruments and writes hundreds and hundreds of songs. It takes him along time to narrow it down thats why he releases albums 4-5 years apart because he wants to choose to the right tracks. LOL ah... no Mike didn't play no instruments in the J5. So now your saying that his in the same category of 50 cent and JLO man you smoking some mad weed this convo is ridiculous its to funny lol We have a child prodigy dude been performing since he was 5 years old sold alot records with his bros and won alot of awards. Went solo conquered the music industry surpasses elvis, beatles etc sold ALOT more records, won alot more awards and you have the nerve to say his a 50 cent , JLo.. dude lay off whatever ur on because its stupid and ridiculous. If you don't prefer the man's music thats fine, I respect ur opinion but don't be making some outlandish crap comments, its stupid.




I don't understand you and how you come up with ur conclusions and how you make ur opinions. Now when I said don't mix apples and oranges I meant don't mix crap and talent together. You brought up paris hilton, don't know why.. but you brought her up to make a dumb comparision. I mentioned Prince last time because his sound is diverse like how MJ diverse's his music to. I said that to make a point earlier. Once again you mix apples and oranges again. For the last stinkin time PRINCE AND MJ ARE TWO DIFFERENT ARTISTS. 2 COMPLETLY DIFFERENT ARTISTS. How in the world are you going to compare to artists that have nothin common besides from the fact, they were both influenced by James Brown and both legends? How can you say another artist is a better musician when the other artist doesn't really play instruments? How can you make such an comparion when one doesn't do the other it doesn't make sence. I could see maybe if you said who is the better musician. Jimi Hendrix or Prince? Okay these are two artists that are MUSICIANS. MJ and Prince are NOT. MJ does play "some instruments" but MJ is an entertainer. Yes out of the two Prince is the better "musician".
.... It is good lyrics.. what is he talking about in the song?, matter of fact think about it. You want to examine songs now? and once again you need to exactly listen to ALL of MJ albums and not the main songs you think you know.


Never said MTV invented music videos and I never said MJ "invented" videos with a storyline and art and please correct me if I'm wrong. What I meant was his videos exactly are creative and innovative. You were comparing his vids to the crappy vids they make now, don't know why but you did. You have people now trying to copy the essence MJ had in his videos that can NEVER be re- done because its already been done. Thats the problem now with music nobody can't be innovative there just copying off of one another and of course that goes for the music vids to.


lol I see ur point base on how YOU feel. Whether the artists he influenced are crappy are not he still was influential. Whether the artists he influenced were crap or not. Janet and Boys II men are good. I wouldn't put them in the same category as like Stevie, Marvin, MJ etc but they are good. All the female acts model after her and there hasn't been a foreal r&b soul band like Boys II men since the 90's for (new skool). I feel you though... still even if some of the artists he influenced were crap he still was influential it doesn't matter if the artists are irrelavant. What that got to do with him? That has nothing to do with HIS talents and abilities just because an artist he influences sucks.

Urban Hat€monger ?

I respect other people's opinions on music , even when they are myopic fanboys.

I just don't agree with them.

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