MURDER JUNKIE

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Up for the challenge?

Don

lol I didn't even see that post. Yeah let's do it, but I have a feeling he'll win 'cause of the obvious bias.

boo boo

I guess thats why i like Incubus more than The Rolling Stones.

I shouldnt even have to explain, Yes have the ability to write actual songs, DT dosent.

Im talking about greatness, not about whos the best.

Im simply saying Yes mean more to the music community, and their musicians are more well respected in their field, DT are widely looked upon as a lame ass gimmick by most people, and in my opinion thats because they are a lame ass gimmick.


Wow 18 bands that no one gives a sh*t about, not even in the prog community, congratulations.

Without prog there would be no prog metal.

Quantity isnt as important in this case as what artists they influenced, though Yes do have the edge in quantity, all the bands i mentioned own your 18 bands in both musical importance AND musical quality...And i can still name over a dozen more bands Yes have influenced.

Focus
Happy The Man
Cairo
Starcastle
Badger
Kansas
Marillion
Fates Warning
Spocks Beard
Flower Kings
Premiata Forneria Marconi
Niacin
Explowers Club
Magna Carta

Also bands like Blind Melon, Bon Jovi and even Tenacious D have called Yes influences, proving that Yes's influence is not limited to just prog.

But like any influencial band, Yes have also influenced their share of crappy bands... Like Dream Theater for example.

Are you kidding?...Petrucci makes less facial expressions than a statue.

Nah, its overstuffing your intsturment with fancy smancy technique with no regard at all to how good it actualy sounds, and often times it sounds like a dentist drill, especialy in Petrucci's case.

Listen to his great moog work on The Remembering, Heart Of The Sunrise and Siberian Khatru, wanking he is not...He creates a ethereal soundscape, which was one of the defining elements that made Yes a great band.

And Bruford dosent?...And what does songwriting and lyrics have to do with being a good drummer?....Bruford is the guy that EVERY prog band wishe's could drum for them.

Bill Bruford has played with hundreds of talented musicians, and hes easly the most influencial drummer in progressive rock...Hes also a more skilled drummer than Portnoy, ask any professional drummer.

I dont buy it.

Just like i dont believe that you get paid to review albums.

Rubbish...Howe and Squire are always pushing each other to their limit...And they can do it without getting sloppy or losing focus...They are one of the best guitar/bass teams around.

Ok punk, i'd like to hear you play YIND note for note, link me baby.



No they're prog alright, just not good prog, certainly not progressive in my eyes, i did mention them in my prog ed thread, since they are highly regarded as prog even in the prog community, it would be biased of me not to include them.

But i think a lot of people arent really getting the point of progressive rock...You certainly arent...You're critisizing prog for being inaccessible, because prog is not the sugarcoated crap people are used to hearing on the radio thats obviously a bad thing...Just because a band isnt accessible it dosent mean they are not good, it takes some time to get into, i didnt fall in love with Yes the first time i heard them, it took a while for their music to soak in, i have never been able to get into Dream Theater, and dammit i have tried, theres just nothing special about them, and being a DT fan you're not even one to talk about bands that are inaccessible, Yes may be a very inaccessible band most of the time, but they could still make a good pop song when they wanted to, they proved it with I've Seen All Good People...DT have never composed a melody that i didnt forget in like 10 minutes.

Almost everyone in the music world would agree with me that Yes kicks Dream Theaters booty.

12 year olds sound better than constipated robots.

And Yes make some very creative vocal harmonies...If DT tried to compose good harmonies, then maybe they would sound half decent at least.

There is NOTHING boring about Squire's basslines...He has influenced a handful of bass players, including Billy Sheenan, Les Claypool, Flea, Steve Harris, Geddy Lee...All of whom are much more exiting than boring ol Myung.

....With that ridiculous statement, i seriously doubt you have really heard that much Yes at all.

Im pretty sure King Crimson have done it.

And you say it like odd time signatures is something new to progressive rock, give me a break.

Oh yeah thats right, all old music sucks, excellent point.

Listen to Red from King Crimson, thats some real intensity for you.

And how about Relayer, are you really going to me that Yes werent making some intense music on that album?...Its one of the boldest and most outrageous prog albums ever made...Gates Of Delirium is pure mayhem, i havent heard anything from DT that sounded so spontanious but still exciting.

The one that was doing something original.

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boo boo

Oh thats right, because i have grown tired of having to explain everything to you because you are a ignorant, smug assclown that obviously means i lost the arguement.

I am no match for you.

Dream Theater are still living in the 70s, they arent doing anything that practicly every other 70s prog band hasnt done before.

What does this have to do with Dream Theater?

I like prog metal, just not Dream Theater, and most of the bands they influenced.

I like Symphony X, Opeth, Fates Warning and Queensryche.

But....I thought you know more about prog than me, i dont know nothing about prog compared to your infinete knowledge about everything that is prog...After all, thats why you are a professional prog critic and im not.

Yeah, you pwned me so hard, i am ashamed of myself, i think i will leave MB forever, because this agonizing defeat will scar me for life.

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boo boo

Sure, why not?

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Cheese

He'll win because 9 times out of 10 his posts have fact backing them up.

boo boo

Thank you, very much.

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Don

That's pretty sad but of course there would be exceptions. I still stand by what I said. It seems like you're preaching to me half the time: “Yes are Gods so bow down before the almighty prog Lords. They've influenced hundreds of musicians around the world so they must be good!”

Yes songs are generally rigid and devoid of any life. DT range from pop rock to prog rock, hard rock, heavy metal, prog-metal, neo prog. Can't write actual songs???

And I'm saying that it matters not who means more to the music community. You've just implied you're talking about who's best right then.

So apparently once again you're saying you need to be important to be good. But incidentally I've caught you out because Shadow Gallery are extremely popular in the prog world.


Without Chuck Berry there would be no prog. Without Beatles there would be no Yes.

No more influential crap talk please. I don't like repeating myself: Importance ≠ This Band Rules.

Simply not true, I've seen all DT's dvds and have yet to seem him play a solo without emotion. I'll post my favourite solo link again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAOIUWv1ilo


Okay so we have the same definition. Dentist drill? Now that was a tad harsh, but I suppose sounding like a dentist's drill is better than sounding like a half-dead hyena-cow hybrid.


Wanking he does not always do, and when he isn't, it bores me, and when he does it disgusts me. If you think Wakeman's so important to Yes than I guess I know why I dislike them so much.

Not as much as MP, I've read enough interviews to know that for a fact.

Not a good drummer per say, but a good band member definitely.

I'd rather a drummer who's competent in music theory.

He probably isn't the most influential drummer in prog rock...but otherwise, no disagreement here, and I never did.

I would have sent you links by now but why would I want to reveal my name and other details about me to people like you?

And the blind bias continues.

What's most difficult to play is the rhythms, and Myung's eat Squires up. I don't know a link, but I have most of DT's sheet music.


Fine, I quite like “The YTSE Jam” bass line, but there's too many to choose from so take your pick really.

And you think I haven't tried liking Yes? I've heard each album dozens of times. How about you do the same for DT, that way we can have a proper discussion. DT have also proved to be able to write good pop songs in "Hollow Years," so what's your point? Inaccessibility is exactly what taste comes down to, so since you've said it yourself that Yes are inaccessible then why can't you understand that I can't stand them?


Yeah popularity = goodness for sure, well done. How many Britney Spears albums do you have?

Only just, but 12 year olds who have Anderson's weak and fragile voice and annoying accent? I'd go for the robot.

“In the Name of God” (4:35 – 4:58) and the chorus harmonies are beautiful.
“Fatal Tragedy”- with MP and LaBrie singing in unison as well as harmony in certain parts, bloody brilliant.
“Hollow Years” - the last chorus.
“Innocence Faded” - as well has nice harmonies in the chorus, there's great use of harmonies acting as passing notes.
“A Change of Seasons” - Too many examples to name, the entire thing is great. I hope you've heard it by the way, have you?
I've had enough, this will take me forever.


Nice arrogant statement there 'cause no one can possibly think Yes are boring if they have heard them!! And once again you talk about influences...are you sure you like Incubus better than Rolling Stones? lol

Wtf??? I wasn't talking about time signatures. I said the key. Are you sure you play the keyboard?


Yeah I agree, most of it does.


No I mean actual intensity, umm first example I can think of: “Overture 1928.” The intro is the intensity I'm referring to, but it has several mood changes throughout and interchanges intensity with jaw droppingly beautiful melodies. I bet you like that piece but just don't want to admit it lol.


If GoD is your defintion of intenseity then I pity you.

It's not hard to download songs you know, you should give it a try if you want.
My real reply is going to have to refer you to “Overture 1928” again.


Yeah 'cause originality= goodness right? Just like importance does.

Bit of hypocrisy going on here, I said “End of Debate” for the same reason you said “I give up.” How am I the ignorant one when you've yet to hear all DT's albums?

Don

Yeah, you're totally right, I can recall every 70's prog band using metal elements in their music, right. But more to your actual point, I don't care if you think they've ripped off anyone, like I've said countless times, everything in art is ripping someone off one way or another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAOIUWv1ilo

Symphony X are like DT fan boys and rush to the drawing room the second after they hear a DT album for the first time. I bet if their vocalist was LaBrie you'd hate them, how's that for close-mindedness?

Very true, but it's pointing out the obvious.

As I said, I only said that because a few people were whining about us, so I sorta wanted to end it but okay if you want to keep going that's fine.

boo boo

No, they made 3 classic albums in a row (The Yes Album, Fragile, Close To The Edge), thats why they are good.


I am begining to suspect that you arent really a DT fan and that this is all just a big prank, well it was funny for a while, but you can stop now.

Oh god...They can do 3 different kinds of prog, thats versatility for ya.

Tiresome instrumental wankfests, rehashed Genesis epics with all the life sucked out of them, whatever you want to call it.

Shut up, i could go on about how Yes have sold way more records and how they have had at least half a dozen radio hits, but i wont...They make better music, as in what the music sounds like, how the music is written, how the musicians play the music, they are just better in pretty much every way...Hell DT would probably even admit it themselves.

No, there are good bands who havent had much influence and impact, i just dont consider DT that good.

You are taking things out of context, you know damn well i dont think that Yes are good only for their influence, this is just one of your lame arguement tactics.

Yes are good because they make good music (in my opinion, which i can say with much confidence, is more valid than yours) but their edge in influence and acclaim certainly helps.

As are all the bands i mentioned.

Whats up with this?...Why are you compareing Yes to The Beatles?....And god knows The Beatles were way better, same with Chuck Berry...The simple fact of the matter is, without Yes there would be no Dream Theater, you dont have to like Yes because of it, but you should still show them some respect, and you have done nothing but disrespect them through at least 10 pages with your ridiculous statements.

Yes are better just because they are better.

How in the hell do you measure emotion anyway?

Heh, that was pretty crappy.

Which Petrucci also sounds like, Steve Howes guitar sounds like heaven.

Howe > Petrucci.


I dislike Dream Theater primarly because of every member...They are all terribly boring in their own special way.

I would like some quotes.

And im talking about actual musicians here, and ones who dont suck.

Oh first hes the most skilled drummer in hard rock and now hes not a good drummer?.

You win the John Kerry flip flop award of the day.

Which Bruford also is.

But theory dosent mean too much anyway, a lot of great musicians dont know theory.

Carl Palmer and Neil Peart are 1st and 2nd runner up.

So you can prove that you are actualy what you say you are and not just some 10 year old retard with way too much free time on his hands?

Yeah, coming from the Dream Theater fan who thinks he has the right to call other bands boring and emotionless.

Theres more to being creative than just writing and playing something complex, Squire is still the more creative musician.

Im not talking about just complexity, theres much more to prog than being complex for the sake of being complex, thats all DT ever do, Yes's albums are usualy motivated by some idea or concept, for example Relayer is meant to depict an epic war, Close To The Edge has many religious and philosophical themes and it dipicts different stages of life and human development, etc)...When DT writes lyrics they usualy just blend random words together to make it sound like they are being deep, when really they are not...Yes's lyrics arent amazing, but they channel real emotion through their music, DT dont in my opinion..

Tempus Fugit.

I can understand how you dont like them easly, what i cant understand is that you give reasons for why you hate them such as them being boring, emotionless and directionless when all those things apply to your favorite band.

I think it makes you very biased.

None, but i find Toxic and Im A Slave For You to be a little catcy so i can easly say that in my eyes Britney Spears makes better music than Dream Theater.

So all british singers suck because they have a accent?


A lot of them are rehashed Iron Maiden harmonies if you ask me.

Yes.

For 8 years.

I could post a funny pic right now but im too lazy.

So i'll just go right ahead and say you're a dumbass.

Nope.

I take it you havent heard it?

No thanks, i dont like to download stuff that i know i am going to have to delete eventualy.

It still helps that no band really sounded like Yes before Yes.

I have heard all their albums, i rarely bother to remember all the song titles, they're always so ****ing long that they are a bitch just to abbreviate.

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