Friday

True it doesnt. But the whole punk scene is really based on the working class white male really. People in the punk scene do write incredibly intelligent lyrics but they are not intellectuals or cultured souls.

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NaNaNer

You learn something new everyday..I didnt know that either.

sleepy jack

You realize intellectuals doesn't mean you're an upper class prick who likes to read books and is sort of smart right? It has nothing to do with any of that. A broke writer living in the ghetto living off twinkies and soda can be an intellectual.

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Not to say punk doesnt have its offshoots that deal with different issues. Such as feminism, racism, anti-racism and etc. When I said the punk scene I was more referring to the first wave in '76 and '77.

And to Crowquill, yes you're right I do know it doesn't mean being an upper class prick. But punk was a fickle movement, I mean alot of people felt that the Clash had made big steps culturally with London Calling. Whereas, the punk scene claimed they had sold out. Punks do not wish to be the intellectual type but like to appeal more as the "every-man"

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sleepy jack

What they want to appeal to doesn't make a difference. I don't see how you don't consider people like Jello Biafra intellectual. Hes one of the best political songwriters ever. His lyrics are way more intelligent then Morrisseys.

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I think we have a different definition of intellectual my friend. Saying that mine is again not some upper class prick. Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

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Intellectual

1. appealing to or engaging the intellect: intellectual pursuits.
2. of or pertaining to the intellect or its use: intellectual powers.
3. possessing or showing intellect or mental capacity, esp. to a high degree: an intellectual person.
4. guided or developed by or relying on the intellect rather than upon emotions or feelings; rational.
5. characterized by or suggesting a predominance of intellect: an intellectual way of speaking.
–noun
6. a person of superior intellect.
7. a person who places a high value on or pursues things of interest to the intellect or the more complex forms and fields of knowledge, as aesthetic or philosophical matters, esp. on an abstract and general level.
8. an extremely rational person; a person who relies on intellect rather than on emotions or feelings.
9. a person professionally engaged in mental labor, as a writer or teacher.


Intellect

1. the power or faculty of the mind by which one knows or understands, as distinguished from that by which one feels and that by which one wills; the understanding; the faculty of thinking and acquiring knowledge.
2. capacity for thinking and acquiring knowledge, esp. of a high or complex order; mental capacity.
3. a particular mind or intelligence, esp. of a high order.
4. a person possessing a great capacity for thought and knowledge.
5. minds collectively, as of a number of persons or the persons themselves.

cardboard adolescent

I wouldn't consider Jello Biafra an intellectual, he hasn't really done much more than re-hash the same old anti-corporatist anarchist ideologies for the last thirty years. I mean sure, he points out some issues in the world, but you don't need to be an intellectual to do that, just read the newspaper.

And yes, you probably should read books or at least have some interest in reading if you're going to call yourself an intellectual. The term intellectual, in my mind, generally conjures up the image of some pompous douchebag, which I guess fits Morrissey well enough. Also, generally I don't think of political thinkers as intellectuals, more people into philosophy and literature. You know, the more pretentious ones with little practical value.

Melkor

Oh Dear...

Damn, you guys sure hate them...and they are actually great bands.

MayorMcCheese

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