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boo boo 05-02-2010 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO (Post 861150)
Wish You were Here is disrupted by the title track which sticks out like a sore thumb on the otherwise glorious album. It's like a less annoying song than Money, albeit as grossly overplayed, on an otherwise better album than DSOTM. Meddle is kinda' a weird album in that it's almost structurally the inversion of DSOTM. Meddle is a collection of disparate tunes, including Seamus, with Echoes being the one marathon song that gives the album it's central theme. DSOTM is a wannabe concept album ruined by Money (imo, of course). Pigs on the wing I & II...really? C'mon, into & outro, prologue & epilogue, foreword & afterword, matching ****ing bookends. How much more symmetrical, cohesive, and undisruptive does it get?

Eh, I thought you meant cohesive in terms of consistency in quality.

There's nothing wrong with Pigs on a Wing really, it's just not on par with the 3 main songs of the album. That's more along the lines of what I meant.

I don't think Money is either a drop in quality from the rest of the album or out of place regarding the theme of the album.

Where I live Money doesn't get any more overexposure Time or Brain Damage/Eclipse, but DSOTM is the album that really got me into music for serious and for that I'll always have a ridiculous amount of affection for it despite how popular it is.

I don't see anything wrong with Wish You Were Here either, it's just popular.

I just think people hate on specific songs like Money because of their popularity, when people say "Money" or "ABITWP2" is their worst song I can't take them seriously. Nobody would think it if they weren't hella popular. I mean seriously, if those songs weren't popular I don't think anyone could honestly think "yep, this is totally worse than Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast and Dogs of War".

TheCunningStunt 05-02-2010 12:50 AM

Thanks for the advice regarding my devil genre. I'll be sure to give Rush a listen because they have been the most appealing prog rock band I've heard. I'll give Krautrock a listen as well. :thumb:

If it doesn't happen then meh, at least I can say I've tried.

TheCunningStunt 05-02-2010 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 861172)
The closest thing to prog I can dig is stuff like Primus and Tool, but even with those bands I prefer the shorter songs and don't like it as much when they "jam it out"...

Tool don't do it for me either. :(

boo boo 05-02-2010 12:53 AM

What Crimson have you heard?

Anything from the John Wetton era? Cobain had nothing but positive things to say about Red. :D

duga 05-02-2010 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 861178)
What Crimson have you heard?

Anything from the John Wetton era? Cobain had nothing but positive things to say about Red. :D

Yeah, I agree...if you haven't listened to Red then you definitely should. One of the most accessible yet still truly prog albums around, in my opinion. Everything clicks perfectly on that album...

SATCHMO 05-02-2010 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 861174)

I just think people hate on specific songs like Money because of their popularity, when people say "Money" or "ABITWP2" is their worst song I can't take them seriously. Nobody would think it if they weren't hella popular. I mean seriously, if those songs weren't popular I don't think anyone could honestly think "yep, this is totally worse than Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast and Dogs of War".

Man, everybody wants to hate on Atom Heart Mother. Maybe someone can Explain Why You Don't Like this album ('cause I don't understand).

TheCunningStunt 05-02-2010 01:00 AM

I think I heard Starless and Bible Black and another album, don't think I've heard Red. I'll be sure to give it a try, I think accessibility is the key if you're gonna appreciate prog rock.

duga 05-02-2010 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 861185)
I think I heard Starless and Bible Black and another album, don't think I've heard Red. I'll be sure to give it a try, I think accessibility is the key if you're gonna appreciate prog rock.

Oh man, Starless and Bible Black is what you started with? It took me a really long time to get into that album, and I really love King Crimson. Here is how exposure to the King should go:

Red
In the Court of the Crimson King

In that order. Then after that you will have a good idea if you will like them enough to further explore them.

debaserr 05-02-2010 01:02 AM

the key is opening your mind and trying something that may not be accessible.

TheCunningStunt 05-02-2010 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by trace87 (Post 861188)
the key is opening your mind and trying something that may not be accessible.

Even though I've already done that and it hasn't worked? Good game plan.

TheCunningStunt 05-02-2010 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by duga (Post 861186)
Oh man, Starless and Bible Black is what you started with? It took me a really long time to get into that album, and I really love King Crimson. Here is how exposure to the King should go:

Red
In the Court of the Crimson King

In that order. Then after that you will have a good idea if you will like them enough to further explore them.

I fail. Why do I pick difficult albums to start with? I'll be sure to give Red a listen as soon as possible. After I sober up/sleep, I'll give it a listen. So later tonight.

Antonio 05-02-2010 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 861160)
The thing is, I've never REALLY been able to put my finger on it, though I do think the length of the songs do play a massive part. Maybe the experimental nature plays a part, but I don't see why.. Experimental is usually good, unless the experiment doesn't work out

uhhh, have you tried Porcupine Tree?

debaserr 05-02-2010 01:43 PM

porcupine tree sucks dont do that.

boo boo 05-02-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by trace87 (Post 861402)
porcupine tree sucks dont do that.

Porcupine Tree certainly don't suck.

Football does however.

clutnuckle 05-02-2010 03:07 PM

Both acts are rather boring, not that there's anything particularly repulsive about either one.

boo boo 05-02-2010 03:08 PM

I don't think he would like PT if he hates Floyd.

debaserr 05-02-2010 04:02 PM

maybe they don't suck. but they certainly aren't on the top of my prog recommendations list.

sidewinder 05-02-2010 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by trace87 (Post 861165)
you dont like Yes, Gentle Giant, or Comus?


This is one of my favorite songs ever. :love:

TheCunningStunt, sometimes I don't understand your forcing yourself to like things. I admire your dedication and open mind, but sometimes you just don't like it or aren't ready. Nothing wrong with moving on to other things and coming back later.

TheCunningStunt 05-02-2010 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 861511)
TheCunningStunt, sometimes I don't understand your forcing yourself to like things. I admire your dedication and open mind, but sometimes you just don't like it or aren't ready. Nothing wrong with moving on to other things and coming back later.

I think it's a genre that has always alluded me and I keep trying to come back to it and see something in it I previously missed, but like you say - maybe it's just one of them things..

jackhammer 05-02-2010 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 861040)
WTF

I thought you were the big Floyd fan?

I don't see how DSOTM is "the beggining of the end", before this they made awful crap like Ummagumma and just ok albums like AHM and More, after it they made WYWH, Animals and The Wall, seriously WTF. How is that the beginning of the end? Just because they embraced a polished production style?

DSOTM is still their best album IMO, it might lack the organic element of Piper and Meddle or the very underrated Obscured by Clouds, all of those albums have some filler or less than steller parts though, DSOTM doesn't, musically it's their tightest effort.

I still like Money, it's overplayed, but I don't know how you could find it "boring as hell", it's only 6 minutes, has a great bassline, an interesting rhythm and some awesome guitar and sax solos. If you can endure big epics like Echoes, SOYCD and Dogs I don't know how that would bore you.

It's the tightest and most to the point album Floyd ever did (and still my favorite album probably), I don't know how you could find it boring unless you were bored by Floyd in general.

I am a floyd fan, I just got a tattoo with one of their logos FFS but that doesn't mean I have to like everything that they do. DSOTM is not a bad album and I didn't say that. I just find it boring just the same as you don't rate Animals. Both respective albums are our personal favourites but the difference is that it doesn't bother me in the slightest that you are not a huge Animals fan, it's all about opinions and I respect yours and have not started a debate about your dislike of the album.

The simple fact is that I have known that album (DSOTM) for 20 years now and it doesn't stimulate me anymore. I rarely play it. Doesn't mean that I think it's awful. I just rarely listen to it and prefer other albums.

OctaneHugo 05-03-2010 02:41 PM

smh for dsotm ITT

and if i could figure out a way to abbreviate "for" (short of using the number) I would have


not my fav floyd album but damn good

sidewinder 05-03-2010 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OctaneHugo (Post 862019)
smh for dsotm ITT

and if i could figure out a way to abbreviate "for" (short of using the number) I would have


not my fav floyd album but damn good

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0_OtDnvS5Q...eakEnglish.gif

duga 05-03-2010 02:47 PM

^

HAHA my thoughts exactly.

I love that pic...I'm saving it for future use.

OctaneHugo 05-03-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 862027)

http://imgur.com/13CRU.jpg

sidewinder 05-03-2010 05:09 PM

I guess not, then.

Freebase Dali 05-03-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 862027)

That sentence written in English forgot the use of a question mark. :bringit:

sidewinder 05-03-2010 05:13 PM

It did. Plus it used asterisks instead of uck! Shame on that person.

Engine 05-03-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 862153)
That sentence written in English forgot the use of a question mark. :bringit:

When you're Sam Jackson with a gun you don't need to use punctuation

Freebase Dali 05-03-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 862156)
It did. Plus it used asterisks instead of uck! Shame on that person.

:laughing:

I just find the whole situation quite ironic.


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Originally Posted by Engine (Post 862158)
When you're Sam Jackson with a gun you don't need to use punctuation

I rescind my previous comment.

Violent & Funky 05-12-2010 12:34 PM

http://everydaymusic.files.wordpress...t-pavilion.jpg

Ahem, now that I have your attention with the cool album art...

What the **** is so great about this album (Merriweather Post Pavilion by Animal Collective)?

+81 05-12-2010 12:36 PM

Doesn't this album pop up every second page or so...Might as well re-discuss Veckatimest while we're at it.

sidewinder 05-12-2010 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by +81 (Post 866227)
Doesn't this album pop up every second page or so...Might as well re-discuss Veckatimest while we're at it.

+ Probably best to just search the thread for previous discussion(s) on it.

Violent & Funky 05-12-2010 03:38 PM

My bad fellas. I'll look back through the 64 pages...

TheCunningStunt 05-12-2010 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 866297)
My bad fellas. I'll look back through the 64 pages...

:laughing:

It's an internet pet peeve of mine when that happens "Yeah that topic was discussed way back." "Yeah we're on page 1122 now.."

But in their defence that album does come up shit loads.

And I like it as well, it isn't instantly catchy, a couple of songs stand out and then you just sink into it.. I think you just have to keep with it, unless you don't have the patience for it and you don't think it's worth it, then I fear it's just one of them things.

Violent & Funky 05-12-2010 03:50 PM

I'm not really into vocals so I don't think I'm meant to like it. It is even slower than OK Computer and the instrumentation does nothing for me. It's like I can have it playing in my ears but not even notice it...

TheCunningStunt 05-12-2010 03:54 PM

The vocals aren't necessarily good, just the unconventional structures of the songs combined with pop elements.. First listen I was like meh. Apart from 3 songs, then I just started to appreciate it as a piece of work. I found it a bit dull at first, until I started finding tracks I liked. Are there no tracks where you think that's a good song?

sidewinder 05-12-2010 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 866303)
It's an internet pet peeve of mine when that happens "Yeah that topic was discussed way back." "Yeah we're on page 1122 now.."

Well, there is a "search this thread" function ;) ...but that doesn't really help when most people don't post text to accompany images.

TheCunningStunt 05-12-2010 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder (Post 866322)
Well, there is a "search this thread" function ;) ...but that doesn't really help when most people don't post text to accompany images.

Been on this forum for about a year, never new that tool was available. :laughing:

Violent & Funky 05-12-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt (Post 866306)
Are there no tracks where you think that's a good song?

'My Girls' and 'Summertime Clothes' are both k...

TheCunningStunt 05-13-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 866520)
'My Girls' and 'Summertime Clothes' are both k...

Those were the first songs I quite liked, but I saw nothing else in the album that I liked for a while, my advice is just stick with it and listen every now and again unless you really don't think it's your cup of tea, then just save yourself the time and effort and just put this album in the dislike pile.


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