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Son of JayJamJah 11-03-2008 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 446700)
Pet Sounds

3 fantastic songs & a shit load of filler

Which Three?

I sort of agree, wonder if it's the same three though.




JACKHAMMER

Dark Side is fantastic, the vast array of sounds, the fascinating nature of the songs and the way they fit together. It took me two years to learn to distinguish the songs, except for Money of course. Plus it's mass appeal, it opened so many eyes to the previous genius of Floyd's music.

Comus 11-03-2008 10:39 PM

If we're speaking of metal, how can ANYONE stand to listen to the utter tripe that is dummy burger? I'm a huge black metal fan but I feel they demean the genre.

lucifer_sam 11-03-2008 10:41 PM

I am most definitely not a black metal fan but I can discern good from absolute tripe, and Dimmu Borgir is definitely among the latter.

Anteater 11-03-2008 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred (Post 539925)
Okay, I've come around a little bit, but I would still like to know what is so awesome about In Rainbows.

Well, I'm not going to tell you In Rainbows is necessarily a progression from HTTT, Amnesiac, etc, but the reason I enjoyed In Rainbows to a point was because it felt like, I dunno, Thom Yorke had finally found his happy place or something. 15 Step and Bodysnatchers are both fairly upbeat, plus I personally feel the Weird Fishes/Arpeggi is just as high calibur as any of the supposed "favorites" from their past albums (Fake Plastic Trees, There There, Pyramid Song, etc).

IMO, you just need to forget everything they've done in the past when you listen to IR, and I swear you'll enjoy it a whole lot more. :)

Janszoon 11-04-2008 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by UberFilmBuff (Post 540020)
I don't get what the big fuss is about Reign in Blood by Slayer. I'm not really much of a metal fan, mainly because I haven't listened to much. I like Iron Maiden, Metallica, and Black Sabbath, but that about sums up any music I like that is or could arguably be classified as metal of any kind. I've tried listening to Reign in Blood twice, and I listened to it through all the way both times, but I was just bored by it. Am I missing something? All I hear is random screaming and mediocre guitar playing. To be fair, I was tired both times that I heard it. I'm going to try listening to it when I'm not tired, but I'd like to know what's so g*d*mn special about it and what I should listen for and such.

Give it few more listens, maybe sometime when you're driving or when you're feeling kind of pissed off. There's nothing random about it, each song is like a precisely sharpened razorblade. If you can't hear the structure I'm talking about, at the very least try and give the drums a close listen. Dave Lombardo's playing is sick as hell on that album.

skips 11-04-2008 04:39 AM

Okay, so it's the first thing that comes to mind when I saw the thread, can someone explain to me:

Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation

I've listened to it so many times (they even shot to number 4 on my last.fm charts) but I still find it grating. I can enjoy Sister a bit, but Daydream Nation just leaves me cold.

WaspStar 11-04-2008 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 446700)
Pet Sounds

3 fantastic songs & a shit load of filler


3??? I count, one, at the most.

anticipation 11-04-2008 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 540083)
Built To Spill's Keep It Like a Secret. It's not bad, but Perfect From Now On is just so much better. I know there are some fans here, explanations?

i agree 100%, but "There's Nothing Wrong With Love" is better than both of them.

Astronomer 11-04-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 539814)
Does anyone want to tell me what's so good about

Kid A

???

I think Kid A is a beautiful album which involved taking a few risks but ultimately has some great tracks on it. Like dac said, each song seems to be quite intricate and layered. I really enjoy Kid A... but I have to admit I like OK Computer better.

Brad Stengel 11-04-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skips (Post 540160)
Okay, so it's the first thing that comes to mind when I saw the thread, can someone explain to me:

Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation

I've listened to it so many times (they even shot to number 4 on my last.fm charts) but I still find it grating. I can enjoy Sister a bit, but Daydream Nation just leaves me cold.

Daydream Nation is more ambient than Sister, but what makes it better for me, is that the hooks placed in-between the noise are some of their best. 'Teenage Riot' is 'Baba O'Reilly' for the alternative generation, 'Total Trash' is one of the best riffs on the album, and for me, nothing is better than listening to it devolve over the course of seven minutes.

'Daydream Nation' is a riffy album, there are riffs I'd never noticed until over a year since I'd heard it, and from there they helped me appreciate it more. Take the riff during the breakdown on 'Hey Joni', it's fantastic, but I didn't notice it when I first picked it up.

You have to be in the right mood for Sonic Youth. What I find helps is putting albums on repeat when I go to bed, and when I wake up theres usually either some great part I never noticed stuck in my head, or this odd subconscious urge to listen to it more. I do this when I don't 'get' albums, and it works pretty well, usually on the more ambient stuff that I don't have the attention span to listen to straight through. Hope that helps.

sweet_nothing 11-04-2008 03:45 PM

The Wall- Pink Floyd

skips 11-04-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Stengel (Post 540345)
Daydream Nation is more ambient than Sister, but what makes it better for me, is that the hooks placed in-between the noise are some of their best. 'Teenage Riot' is 'Baba O'Reilly' for the alternative generation, 'Total Trash' is one of the best riffs on the album, and for me, nothing is better than listening to it devolve over the course of seven minutes.

'Daydream Nation' is a riffy album, there are riffs I'd never noticed until over a year since I'd heard it, and from there they helped me appreciate it more. Take the riff during the breakdown on 'Hey Joni', it's fantastic, but I didn't notice it when I first picked it up.

You have to be in the right mood for Sonic Youth. What I find helps is putting albums on repeat when I go to bed, and when I wake up theres usually either some great part I never noticed stuck in my head, or this odd subconscious urge to listen to it more. I do this when I don't 'get' albums, and it works pretty well, usually on the more ambient stuff that I don't have the attention span to listen to straight through. Hope that helps.

Alright, thanks I'll try that.

Actually, there's two more I really can't get.

Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (it isn't bad, just I don't see what's so great about it).

and

Joanna Newsom - Ys (this is bad, the vocals bother me and I don't like the lyrics either).

Brad Stengel 11-04-2008 04:44 PM

Somebody explain Sebadoh- "III"

one of the only universally acclaimed albums I've ever listened to that I really didn't like. And it's not the lo-fi thing-I love early Pavement and Daniel Johnston and stuff like that-does anyone like this album?

cardboard adolescent 11-04-2008 04:46 PM

Sebadoh are painfully inconsistent, but a lot of their songs do grow on you. Finding the gems on their albums can be painstaking, but is probably worth it.

Terrible Lizard 11-04-2008 04:48 PM

Almost every album by the Residents is very hard to get into just off the bat.

Brad Stengel 11-04-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 540407)
Sebadoh are painfully inconsistent, but a lot of their songs do grow on you. Finding the gems on their albums can be painstaking, but is probably worth it.

I like "The Freed Pig" and a few others on Bakesale and Harmacy, but I really don't get anything on 'III', and it's supposed to be this great breakthrough album.

Urban Hat€monger ? 11-04-2008 04:59 PM

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Apart from the title track I find this album to be totally forgettable. And I think it's influence on punk far too overstated and it's all a bit too muso to be considered in that area of music for my liking.

Bulldog 11-04-2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 540417)
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Apart from the title track I find this album to be totally forgettable. And I think it's influence on punk far too overstated and it's all a bit too muso to be considered in that area of music for my liking.

I agree that the last 3 tracks are pretty tame, but otherwise I love the album. The guitar solo in Elevation and the riff from Venus are just two examples of why I'd put it above average anyday. Each to their own though

Roygbiv 11-04-2008 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 446979)
Alright, here's one. Somebody help meh out! Sly & The Family Stone - There's A Riot Goin' On: heralded by many as one of the best albums of the 1970s, I don't see how it's even one of the best FUNK albums of the 70s. I'm not even sure it's the best SLY album of the 70s. I've listened to it at least a dozen times. All I took away from it is that:

- it has about 3 very good songs,
- and another 35 or so minutes of what might as well be background music for a bar or a movie, devoid of any real hooks or anything particularly memorable
- the icing on the cake is that all of those non-singles tracks seem like some sort of great shameless drug-infused mess - which was probably never supposed to happen in the first place

So...am I missing something? Enlighten me.

Apparently it's all about the story behind the album. It was an uncanny time for Sly, and a controversial statement back in the day, especially for a big record company. It's all about the mystery that surrounds it. I would definitely recommend reading Continuum's 33 1/3 series, the one that focuses on this particular record. I didn't, and perhaps that's why I share in your sentiment. The above is just what I've heard.

My contribution to the thread:
http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/ar...terblake-2.jpg

Brad Stengel 11-04-2008 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 540417)
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Apart from the title track I find this album to be totally forgettable. And I think it's influence on punk far too overstated and it's all a bit too muso to be considered in that area of music for my liking.


Marquee Moon is a grower. I loved 'See No Evil' when I first heard it, and thought 'Venus' was okay. Apart from that I held the same opinion as you. And then slowly over time, people would mention tracks, saying how awesome "Prove It" was. And I never noticed it before, but there it was! A great song tucked in at the end of the album. Same happened with the title track, and then I started listening to the album all the way through, and began to love every second of it.

It's much like Pet Sounds, another album you have a distaste for. Basically my favorite parts of Marquee Moon are those moments when the lead guitar, vocal line, and guitar chords merge perfectly to make a part in a song that gives you goosebumps, something you can't explain to someone, something you either feel, or you don't, and the same goes for Pet Sounds.



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Originally Posted by Roygbiv (Post 540452)


Sgt. Pepper's allure is the epicness of it all. It leads with the title track, the most 'rock' of the Beatles catalog at that point in time, flows brilliantly into the great "A Little Help From My Friends", which the chorus really makes from me, goes into the classic, "LSD", and then my favorite song, "Getting Better" with its army of out of tune guitars.

This album was never overplayed for me before I got it, somehow. And the majority of the albums I love follow this formula, First song sets things up, second song is solid, basically the first four songs are untouchable, and it closes with a massive epic. Lots of albums from 'Who's Next' to 'Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain' to 'Microcastle' do this, and its a great way to do a tracklisting for a great album.

Sgt. Peppers, basically, has alot of solid Bealtes songs, and even some greats you don't hear too often, such as the psychadelic carnival ride of "Mr. Kite" and the 'Pet Sounds' pandering of "She's Leaving Home". It's eclectic, has great melodies, and closes with the Beatles' best song, and that's why I love it.

sweet_nothing 11-04-2008 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 540417)
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Apart from the title track I find this album to be totally forgettable. And I think it's influence on punk far too overstated and it's all a bit too muso to be considered in that area of music for my liking.

This has some the greatest guitar work ive ever heard. It was instant love for and I must say i'd pick Television over the Ramones anyday when it comes to the New York punk scene. It's influence can be traced to modern bands like the Strokes and Interpol, with the dueling guitars. I also enjoyed the lyrics which can at times be playful such as on Friction "You complain of my dic....tion" and "if I ever catch that ventriloquist I'll squeeze his face right into my fist."

Dr_Rez 11-04-2008 11:54 PM

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My god I can not stand this album. Has about 10 minutes of decent playing. And to all those who say "But you idiot it creates the best atmosphere" well I don't give a ****, Ill ind you 10 albums that do a better job.

The only thing I give them direct credit for is influencing SP so they could make Siamese Dream.

Zarko 11-05-2008 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 540638)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...kinnyfists.jpg

My god I can not stand this album. Has about 10 minutes of decent playing. And to all those who say "But you idiot it creates the best atmosphere" well I don't give a ****, Ill ind you 10 albums that do a better job.

The only thing I give them direct credit for is influencing SP so they could make Siamese Dream.

lol I concur RezZ... I gave it plenty of chances just not worth cranking too often...

Can someone explain the love for Floyd's Echoes?

Just don't get it...

SATCHMO 11-05-2008 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 540638)

"skinny fists" is one of the first albums in a long time that wasn't just a tired rehashing of a previous artists inspiration. Certainly it cant be called the most accessible album ever, but lyrically and conceptually it has few rivals.

Piss Me Off 11-05-2008 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 540638)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...kinnyfists.jpg

My god I can not stand this album. Has about 10 minutes of decent playing. And to all those who say "But you idiot it creates the best atmosphere" well I don't give a ****, Ill ind you 10 albums that do a better job.

The only thing I give them direct credit for is influencing SP so they could make Siamese Dream.

It's not that it's a bad album but i really don't have the patience for it. Some of the greatest albums in the world are growers but this takes FAR too much work and at the end of the day life is short and there's a lot more interesting stuff out there that i want to hear.

WaspStar 11-05-2008 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 540417)
http://image.fishpond.co.nz/081227392024.jpg

Apart from the title track I find this album to be totally forgettable. And I think it's influence on punk far too overstated and it's all a bit too muso to be considered in that area of music for my liking.


My experience with Marquee Moon went something like this:


First listen: "Wow, this is the best album ever!"

Second listen: "Wow, this is almost the best album ever!"

Sixth listen: "Eh, it's ok."

Tenth listen: "This is shit."


Apart from Venus and Elevation, there's not much happening here. Even those tracks are rather unimpressive. The guitar work on this album is the most overrated this side of Eric Clapton.

4ZZZ 11-06-2008 01:58 AM

I struggle a bit with Jeff Buckley's Grace. I tend to find it a bit 50%. I actually caught him live in 1996 at Brisbane's Festival Hall after being dragged along by a mate and thought he was very good live but the album left me less than enthused. I wish I could understand the all encompassing love that some have.

Astronomer 11-06-2008 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 4ZZZ (Post 541168)
I struggle a bit with Jeff Buckley's Grace. I tend to find it a bit 50%. I actually caught him live in 1996 at Brisbane's Festival Hall after being dragged along by a mate and thought he was very good live but the album left me less than enthused. I wish I could understand the all encompassing love that some have.

I love Jeff Buckley's Grace; I think it would have to be one of my favourite albums. There's just something about his debut album that oozes uncertainty, confidence, and promise all at the same time. "Grace" (the single) is my personal favourite, I just love the wicked chords he comes up with and how he arranges and plays them, as well as his almost chilling three-and-a-half octave range voice. "Lilac Wine" and "Hallelujah" are other favourites of mine, and although both are covers he manages to deliver them very well - with a young, amazing voice full of sentiment. I really do love this album and J. Buckley.

jackhammer 11-06-2008 01:52 PM

http://www.cynotwhynot.com/blog/them...ne%20Roses.jpg

First two tracks are great. The rest is just wishy washy jingle jangle to me. I know it is classed as one of the finest debut albums ever. I just can't get into it.

http://www.dance-lyrics.com/ama/amer...b0002oeri0.jpg

Horrible horrible album.

http://larryfire.files.wordpress.com...el-jackson.jpg

A couple of catchy hooks do not make a classic Pop album. Terribly dated. Sign O' The Times is THE classic Pop album.

http://www.irvinehousingblog.com/wp-...estruction.jpg

Hated it then and still hate it now (except for Rocket Queen-but I want to hate that too).

Double X 11-06-2008 02:19 PM

http://www.pianored.com/images/Wish_You_Were_Here.jpg

Help please. I hear one exceptional part (first song), one very good song (Wish You Were Here), two boring songs, and a dissapointing 2nd half of the first song. I get the meaning, and the sadness...but the actual music seems to be incredibly lacking.

jackhammer 11-06-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Double X (Post 541300)
http://www.pianored.com/images/Wish_You_Were_Here.jpg

Help please. I hear one exceptional part (first song), one very good song (Wish You Were Here), two boring songs, and a dissapointing 2nd half of the first song. I get the meaning, and the sadness...but the actual music seems to be incredibly lacking.

Welcome To The Machine is an incredible track but that's what makes the world a more interesting place, different strokes etc

Alfred 11-06-2008 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Double X (Post 541300)
http://www.pianored.com/images/Wish_You_Were_Here.jpg

Help please. I hear one exceptional part (first song), one very good song (Wish You Were Here), two boring songs, and a dissapointing 2nd half of the first song. I get the meaning, and the sadness...but the actual music seems to be incredibly lacking.

It's my favorite album of theirs. The intrumental parts are amazing, and Welcome To The Machine is one of my favorite songs.


Oh, and:

http://www.stevesbeatles.com/cds/alb...sgt_pepper.jpg

*prepares noose*

lucifer_sam 11-06-2008 03:17 PM

I get Peppers. I don't understand what's so good about Abbey Road.

sweet_nothing 11-06-2008 03:17 PM

Have a Cigar>>>>>Welcome to the Machine

dac 11-06-2008 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sweet_nothing (Post 541332)
Have a Cigar>>>>>Welcome to the Machine

QFT, and i LOVE Welcome to the Machine

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Originally Posted by Double X (Post 541300)
http://www.pianored.com/images/Wish_You_Were_Here.jpg

Help please. I hear one exceptional part (first song), one very good song (Wish You Were Here), two boring songs, and a dissapointing 2nd half of the first song. I get the meaning, and the sadness...but the actual music seems to be incredibly lacking.

Wish You Were Here Climbs Up to my number 1 from PF at times, I think it's a much more solid album than Meddle.

lucifer_sam 11-06-2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 541335)
Wish You Were Here Climbs Up to my number 1 from PF at times, I think it's a much more solid album than Meddle.

Looks like I actually accomplished something here. Now people compare Pink Floyd albums to Meddle. :D

dac 11-06-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 541337)
Looks like I actually accomplished something here. Now people compare Pink Floyd albums to Meddle. :D

As opposed to Animals?

skips 11-06-2008 05:26 PM

Okay, I need help with any of these:

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Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

*It's nothing offensive. Just average, boring music to me.

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*I can see a bit of appeal in the other albums, especially London Calling which I warmed up to a little (still not a classic to me though). This however, is absouletely terrible. I don't get it at all. I can't believe this is considered to be the best soul album ever.*

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*See what I said about YHF. Not bad, just not the classic it's made out to be. I just find it kind of boring. It feels really dull and isn't exciting enough, sorry. Still a nice collection of songs though, I really like Hateful and Lost in the Supermarket.*


EDIT: Forget I wrote anything bad about Closer, it's fantastic.

Alfred 11-06-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by skips (Post 541409)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA240_.jpg

Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

*It's nothing offensive. Just average, boring music to me.

I agree. It was a chore to listen to.

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Originally Posted by skips (Post 541409)
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*See what I said about YHF. Not bad, just not the classic it's made out to be.*

Very much disagree with you. It may be a hard album to get into for some people, but after a while, I'm sure you'll appreciate it. I love it because it's a diverse album that brings out the best of each area The Clash does.

jackhammer 11-06-2008 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 541331)
I get Peppers. I don't understand what's so good about Abbey Road.

I Want You (She's So Heavy). Simple as.


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