Best Artist: Round 2: Poll C
 

Polls open for two days, only 17 polls this time around, vote for your favorite etc etc etc.

I vote for the Beach Boys or Fall of Troy, depending on who needs it more later on.

The Beach Boys are like....tooo awesome.

Like I have to tell you.

Ditto.

But I do quite enjoy the Fall of Troy.

Wire

indifferent to the rest, although I've never knowingly listened to the Fall of Troy

The Smashing Pumpkins. The greatest band ever of course :D

Yes, by miles and miles.

I feel like a ****bag, but yea, The Smashing Pumpkins

I chose Yes because I know Wire isn't going anywhere.

not fair putting Beach boys and Pumpkins in same poll :(

i went with The Beach Boys

Hard, hard poll.

Yes, The Smashing Pumpkins, The Fall of Troy, and Wire are all great.

The Fall of Troy gets my vote. Can't wait 'till their new album.

Smashing Pumpkins...

Yeah, this is probably the first poll where I pretty much like all the options.

I'm going for the Beach Boys, Smashing Pumpkins winning is ridiculous.

Needs more love for yes.

WTH!

If The Fall of Troy lose I am going to be pissed.

I hate the Beach Boys....

rather them than Fall Of troy

At least the Fall of Troy have originality and talent going for them what do the Smashing Pumpkins have? Oh shit music!

The Pumpkins are pretty much a non factor in music NOW

but back in the 90's they were important and making great guitar dominant rock music.

Siamese dream is as important an album in the 90's as 'Nevermind' 'Loveless' and 'Odelay'

Them and 200 other bands.

Loveless and Odelay were important for their creativity and originality, neither Nevermind and Siamese Dream had that. Nevermind was important for its Impact and if you think Siamese Dream had anywhere near the impact Smells Like Teen Spirit did then you need to get your head checked.

a bit of over-analysis there based on what I posted but I understand what you said.

Just because you hate Pumpkins songs or you think Billy Corgan is an egotistical jerk does not take away from their impact on 90's music

Siamese Dream is an album that is not out of place being next to Nevermind in your record collection.

If we're going to argue music yes I'm going to analyze what you say particularly if it's moronic.

They really didn't have much, they were your typical 90s "alternative" guitar band.

Nsync was popular in the 90s too.

I should beat your ass.

you're just being stupid now and even resorting to insults

and really all you're showing me is your personal disdain for the band
nothing you're saying is refuting my assertion regarding Smashing Pumpkins.

I insulted your opinion not you and you turned around and called me stupid after criticizing me for something you completely misinterpreted. Good job.

It's moronic to suggest that a typical 90s album like Siamese Dream belongs next to something like Odelay which is the farthest thing from typical. You've offered no argument here other than you think Siamese Dream is as impacting as Nevermind which is ridiculous. Perhaps before whining that I'm not doing enough refuting you should give me more to refute.

The Smashing Pumpkins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Fall of Troy.

And originality does not a better album make, I certainly don't see how The Pumpkins were unoriginal anyway, I can't think of anyone that sounded like them at the time.

And Siamese Dream is so much better than Odelay its not even funny.

okay

Smashing Pumpkins would have been my next choice, because they are one of top 10 favorite bands of all time. You already obsess yourself with insulting everyone else on that list, I think I have the right to be defensive.

I know

You'd put The Velvet Underground and Nico up with say Rubber Soul or Pet Sounds wouldn't you?

well you bloody should do anyway

now the latter 2 are hardly as innovative and experimental as the Velvets but they are still marvellous albums that are held in just as high esteem and by a lot of people maybe even higher

but they are 3 albums that are completely different just like Odelay, Siamese Dream and oh I dunno something like '69 Love Songs'

innovation and originality is always revered but just because a band is able to make a tremendous record despite being (like you stated) like 200 other bands shouldn't mean they are regarded as an inferior artist.

In fact it can sometimes say more for a band if they can clearly stand out from their contemporaries.

You're right, Ethans wrong.

Lock thread.

and your precious Pitchfork magazine has Siamese Dream highers than Odelay among 90's albums

but of course this is where the convenient
magazine lists mean nothing comes into it

Hardly relevant since you don't know my opinions on those is it?

You're the one who compared them not me so don't complain that Siamese Dream is being placed next to Odelay.

In comparison to someone doing something completely singular and innovative yeah they're inferior.

So? They're still not doing something original and when you place them next to someone doing something original guess who's generally going to be seen as more important? The artist doing something original.

Will you shut the fuck up if you're not going to contribute something?

I don't even like pitchfork's reviews in fact I've criticized them several times as being ridiculous and a completely elitist joke. Stop making completely irrelevant and unfounded comments please, it doesn't do anything for your argument.

And what are you contributing? Right now you're trolling your own thread.

I wans't comparing as such I was placing Siamese Dream in amongst a few random memorable and brillaint albums of the 90's



I never said either were inferior
but you were insinuating in your posts that somehow Smashing Pumpkins should be penalised for being less original and innovative than Beck (I'm not saying that's what you strictly meant but that's how it came across)
now would you care to respond to the rest of my post instead of dodging the more difficult opinions I made




Never did I make this thread about who was more important
I stated the Smashign Pumpkins' Siamese Dream album should be regarded as just as important as other great albums released in the 90's

You seem to have a very warped concept of what trolling is. If I was trolling my own thread my post would just consist of "LOLS SMASHING PUMPKIN SCUKCS111" and not provided any argument whatsoever. Which I'm doing and you're not.

How is it just as important? Maybe you should explain this before you make such claims because I don't see it as anything more than your typical 90s alternative guitar rock album and I hardly think it deserves to be placed next to Odelay or Loveless. Slanted & Enchanted, Ten, Nevermind (ignoring the impact factor), and the Blue Album sure because those are championed as classics but not necessarily innovative or groundbreaking ones.

Actually no it dosen't, if the music is not good it dosen't matter if you're original or not. Siamese Dream is a damn good album, I don't even see whats so unoriginal about it.

I'm sorry Fall of Troy are not more importing than Smashing Pumpkins. :laughing:

Add to that, Fall of Troy are just mixing hardcore with prog, its a novel concept, but I don't see how that makes them so damn original.

Add to that originality has NOTHING to do with importance, unless you're seriously gonna tell me The Residents are more important than The Rolling Stones.

You made a poll where one of the options was Smashing Pumpkins, then you insulted people who voted for them, leading to this retarded argument.

sorry, but this is not true.

the Taj Mahal Travellers (japanese band) were very original, unlike anything else really

Nirvana were not particularly original.

by your logic the Taj Mahal Travellers are more important than Nirvana...obviously not the case.

I don't see how its much different than all the 90s alternative guitar rock, British Pharaoh seems to have no problem with me saying its unoriginal in fact you agreed with him when he said they should be praised for doing the same thing as their contemporaries and standing out while doing it. Weird how you're saying something different now.

I never said they were, just more original.

Who else sounds like the Fall of Troy?

Yeah but we're not comparing a fairly unknown act to a popular one. We're talking Beck and The Smashing Pumpkins.

I repeat: "Yeah but we're not comparing a fairly unknown act to a popular one. We're talking Beck and The Smashing Pumpkins."

Also, Yes are more original than Modest Mouse (who are just ripping off Built to Spill).

And ELP is more original than Animal Collective (who are just copying early 90s Flaming Lips)