I wrote that :D

And they tend to generally be very ugly.

Marilyn Manson fans.

Marilyn Manson fans can be either Mallcore or Scene....or are they the same thing?

Scene kids don't listen to Marilyn Manson.

The worst fans are the ones that refuse to accept any other taste than their own. The fans that refuse to accept any style other than their own.

"Just cause you don't understand what's going on
don't mean it don't make no sense
And just cause you don't like it,
don't mean it ain't no good"

I hate people with that kinda attitude.

country music are the worst fans, but I'm not going to say anything,
I'm going back to what I said earlier, which is people who only like one genre, and I find that most people who are hardcore fans of today's country music do not often listen to Bach, or Modest Mouse per se.

Yes, 'cause you listen to prog metal, death metal, doom metal AND black metal!

It’s not laughable in and of itself. It only becomes laughable once they start claiming that it’s somehow better art to something else that actually is original, but just happens not to be at all “progressive”. It’s that, to be honest, which I find irritating: valuing all music based merely on its compositional sophistication, even if it contains no new ideas. There’s more to art than that, and such attitudes just seem to miss the point. Those people, while they have all the right to like one type of music more than another, are totally wrong to scorn other genres, and so baselessly too.

Well, they still took those ideas and applied their own personality to them, fashioning out of them something that was quite idiosyncratically “Nirvana”… and of course Kurt was a better melodist than all the others. But point taken, and I agree with your general gist: it’s alright to like a band for their sound, and from a personal standpoint that is ultimately all that matters, beyond a doubt. It’s when people start getting evangelical about it that the trouble starts.

I hate the people that basically only listen to bands that no one has ever heard of and that dislike any band just because they are semi mainstream. Its like if you arent listening to the most obscure band out there then you arent listening to anything worth listening to. And people who bash music simply because it may have a pop sound or is in a certain genre that they may not like.

You have to take music for what it is. To the guy who made a comment about his friends loving All American Rejects: They are a pop punk band who may not be great innovative musicians, yet they write super catchy and poppy music. Which isnt that the point of their music? If you listen to most main stream pop music it may be terrible yet for some reason it gets caught in your head and you keep singing it over and over. So it has fulfilled its purpose.

I don't think you get it. Progressive rock is not just rock music that is progressive, if this was true that would make Talking Heads prog (who are not).

Progressive rock is defined by a criteria I have alrady explained, sure its a broad term, but that goes with most genres. Point is progressive and "prog" is not the same, prog is not just the general act of being progressive it actually is a genre with its own classfications. While there are many prog bands with an original sound, theres nothing that makes Flower Kings less of a prog band, less progressive sure, but they fit the criteria of a prog band and so thats what they are.

So once again the two words are not mutually exclusive.

Bjork = Progressive but not prog.
Dream Theater = Not progressive and unfortunately prog.

See this is the problem. I don't see that many prog fans being this way. I think any prog fan thats not a complete moron should know that every genre is different and isn't meant to function the same way.

I mean the only proggie here who ever acts like you described was Don, but he thinks all prog thats not prog metal (which is all he ever listens to) is crap. Sad excuse of a proggie he was. And thank god he's not around anymore.

Comus can be that way too, but I know he likes The Ramones so he can't be that closed minded.

I think you confuse originality with creativity, these terms are also not mutually exclusive. You can be un-original and still be creative.

Yeah.

I meant it in the sense of "prog" and the "criteria of a prog band". Plus, I was only trying to capture the types of sentences you find evangelical proggies using: "Band X, load of piffle. Not progressive at all."

Well I'm just referring to the types who do. Of course not all are like that, just like not all indie fans are Pitchfork twonks.

If you wanna take "creative" in its literal sense then yeah, fine, but to me that's just special pleading. Creative, in an artistic context, is conventionally interpreted as innovation and originality.

In terms of creativity one should also take into account composition, structure and melody.

Melody, for sure; composition and structure I'd collapse (with other things) into "arrangements".

Like boo boo said, Prog is not progressive in the sense of originality/innovation, it might have been originally, but I think that at the moment Prog means progression inside of a song itself. The majority of prog is based around some sort of progression inside of a song.

Indie/radiohead fans.

I don't like emo kids... something about listening to depressing music and wearing tight pants dose not sound apealing to me.

I also don't like rap fans, they are just very into trying to be like the person that they are a fan of. I know this first hand because my cousin tryes to be like 2pac (and I like 2pac).

And another fan type that I cant stand, is metal and screamo fans, what the heck. I will only outline why I dont like screamo fans because there is a giant outline already here that sapports my hate for metal heads. Screamo people are, in my oppinion, just goth people who don't wear black all the time.

I go to a lot of hardcore shows and the guys that think they're so tough...annoy me. I love hatebreed...but some of the guys at the shows are utter meatheads.

I think hardcore metalheads are just the worst. They're just a bunch of narrow-minded idiots, i mean not every music genre besides metal is for f*gs. Even metal bands that get a taste of success are labelled 'f*gs'.

Next would be the 'indie kids' who dont know what indie music is. They listen to bands like Hard-Fi, The Killers, Arctic Monkeys, The Kooks etc who are all on major labels, therefore not indie.

Indie bands don't necessarily have to be on a small label, though you're right in that none of those bands are particularly indie musically.

I think the interwebz elitist music fans are the worst ;)

Naaa, we rock.

But it does generally include substantial compositional sophistication. And the sorts of fans I refer to think this is a prerequisite of music having any value.

I haven't heard of any such fans ever.
It might apply to dream theater fanbois or some progressive metal fans, but generally, ppl who listen to say- pink floyd, genesis, gentle giant etcetc. listen to other stuff as well.(or at least the one's i know do!)

Anybody who is a fan boy/girl of a particular band or genre and has to prove to you why their tastes are better then yours. I've seen this in all genres so I can't name one.

Ones that don't play any instruments but think they know more than people who do.

Yeh I guess you would, huh?

Arctic Monkeys= Domino Recording Company (indie label)

Hard Fi= Necessary Records (indie label)

Well sometimes they do...and this is coming from a guy who plays an instrument.

Anyways I forgot to mention the ones that absolutely annoy me more than any other people in the whole wide world.

Christian's fans who won't listen to anything outside of the spectrum of Christian music because they are too busy listening to that Christian punk with fake ass lyrics and stuff. I am EXTREMELY disappointed with the Christian communities music and their messages. For one, the majority of them suck. I can count on one hand how many Christian bands I like. The second thing that I dislike is that they take pretty much the exact same music from a secular band, slap on some Christian-"sounding" (keyword: sounding) lyrics and then claim that the song is now holy. Seriously, it pisses me off more then anything in the world. Why can't they be like Thrice and right lyrics true to their hearts. Instead, they right lyrics inspired by fake happiness, which comes from the Christian thought that once you are saved you should only tell people about God and feel happy all the time. It is just too fake for me to handle at all. They really give Christianity a bad rep among people who actually are somewhat smart. They see Christianity as a way of getting a free ticket out of Hell, when it isn't. It is a ****ing lifestyle where you show God through love because "God is love," according to the bible. It does not mean spiting out scriptures in the name of the Lord and hoping people cry out to God wanting him to forgive all their sins. I get so sick of it. The worst part about it is that it doesn't stop at music, I see it in the church, I see it everyday Christians I meet, and I see it in my friends. This is all because of a false image that the Christian media forces people to think. Christians these days don't want to question anything. They never ponder why they have faith in God, and when they do end up doubting it is some stupid **** like, "Why doesn't God save all these people from these traumatic events?," while they sit on their couch surrounded by a house of TVs, piles of shoes, etc. Christians these days are the most selfish people I have ever met in my entire life.

I am embarrassed to worship at the same church as these scumbags and share a religion with them.

/endofrant, but seriously, don't let them ruin it for you. Instead, challenge a Christian whenever you see them because the chances are, they haven't even thought about living the life that Jesus lived, or as some would say, supposedly lived.

That and some Christians think all secular music is satanic.

I know Christians who listen to 50 Cent and then tell me that anything with harsh vocals is satanic.

Lozzles. Hard-Fi are MAJOR LABEL in every sense of the word. A fat fockin' contract with Warner Bros themselves.

Arctic Monkeys, however, are as it happens an indie band. Zero, why the hell would you think otherwise???

I believe they're both indie labels with major label distribution.

Although I could be wrong

You don't understand how manufacturing these records work do you?

@urban ur right

Meh, I'm Christian, but the only Christian bands I really listen to are Underoath, MxPx, and Slick Shoes, who don't really use that many Christian themes (except for maybe Underoath). Some Christian music is pretty awful though (DC Talk anyone?).

Well I am a Christian and the only good bands that I like that actually claim to be Christian are Trouble, Thrice, Alethenian, and Callisto. Cult of Luna's music has Christian messages, I feel, but they haven't really talked about their religion.

Honestly, I just feel that some secular bands spell out the true Christian message better than the Christian bands, and they aren't even trying to. Though technically everyone is up to their own interpretation, so I shouldn't be saying "true," but I find more of a Christ-attitude in bands like Cult of Luna then I do in Hawk Nelson or whoever the next big Christian band is these days.

Magnus has referred to himself as an "anarcho-spiritualist" if that means anything.

Hmm. Would that make him more of a unitarian or just an atheist? Either way, the fact is that I see more Christian themes in them then I see in any of these other popular Christian bands.

@Rainard. I'm not arguing about the fans. Just Prog's definition.

We're not talking about casual Prog listeners who throw PF on occasionally.